Mudge

Vote No and give them 1 more chance. If no results, then let's get this party started.

guppie

it worked out for the American flight attendants when they went out on strike 4 years prior to the pilot strike. It also worked out great for the Northwest pilots the following year when they were allowed to strike. Clinton was 2 for 3. That’s a .667 batting average. 🤙🏼 I’d bet Smoking Joe would bat 1000 😎

MochaSwirl

The solidarity statement is definately fact. But as you said some airlines could care less.


Still doesn’t mean they won’t just kick the can down the road with the same status quo.

I pray this has an overwhelming majority no vote and hopefully when it comes for a TA2 for them, it’s an improvement.

An improvement for them will mean and improvement for all.

DoubleDoink

I’m curious why the Vacancy bid close date had to be extended based on this concessionary TA. Can anyone find anything in this TA that would change someone’s mind as far as bidding…other than to decide NOT to bid based on WORSE reserve rules?

nfo99

I withdrew a bid in one of the famous “unfilled vacancies” after reading the language. And I live in one of the coastal cities that have the most.

guppie

This contract contains 1.3B in GAINS. Concessionary would be like the COVID LOA, where many current chest thumpers voted to give up 1/2 their guarantee.

Lewbronski

In all likelihood, given Biden’s poll numbers right now, you don’t need to be considering what President Biden would or wouldn’t do. If you entered mediation today, by the time a release might begin to become realistic in your case, you ought to be wondering what a President DeSantis or a President Newsom might do. What matters, in terms of time, when the NMB and the courts look at whether or not a release from mediation is appropriate, is “time in mediation,” not time in negotiations. Here’s how the court explained it in a RLA case: “The time during which disputes between employees and commuter rail companies are in mediation must be compared with all other carrier disputes mediated before the Board. In this case, the Board has offered evidence that the time in mediation falls within the range of average times in other mediation cases.”

Also, to your point, since the 1997 APA PEB, in 100% of the five cases when “major” airlines were released from mediation and exited their cooling off period, neither the president nor Congress intervened: Northwest, Comair, Polar, World, and Spirit.

ThumbsUp

If this is what gains look like from the PAC, I’d hate to see what losses look like in these times.

DoubleDoink

That is the only logical decision…because it is so bad that guys should choose not to bid. But honestly, based on rumors I thought the reserve rules were going to be so good that guys would want to bid.

I hope that this thing gets voted down huge, but as we all know, the yes voters WILL NOT reveal that EVER. So even though the polls show a 90/10 NO vote I’m betting it’s going to be close and go either way. People vote yes out of fear, all debted up and stressed out.

But this thing needs to go down 90/10 if we want something better. 100/0 would be better. I only have 3 years left but I’d rather ride out the current contract then vote for this turd.

Myfingershurt

I don’t think that means that this TA is +$1.3B net to the pilot group though. Just means that no one took the time to monetize all the givebacks this thing has in it and give you guys the complete finacial picture. Please don’t fall for an MEC pro heavy presentation that doesn’t fully represent the complete agreement. I don’t work there and i fear that I’ve ready more of your TA than too many of the guys that work there. Please vote this crap down and not be the anchor that weighs down the rest of us.