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Old 06-16-2022, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by pilot772
What am I missing I see 4, 3.25, 3.25
I just used the published current UPS rates from the APC profile page. Maybe I'm missing something.
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Old 06-16-2022, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Pro2nd
I just used the published current UPS rates from the APC profile page. Maybe I'm missing something.
Those numbers are from our last contract extension 2 years ago
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Old 06-16-2022, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Ualhvyjet
From a friend below:

UPS pilots have negotiated a tentative agreement (TA).
So their A-Fund pension is $4,650 x YOS (years of service, 30 max) = $139,500 per year in retirement.
They also used to get 12% B fund. No detail yet what the increase in B fund looks like.
81 hour monthly guarantee.
They got a contract in 2016 with 14.65% pay increase at date of signing and 3% every year since, 4% in 2021 and 3% in 2022.


United has the same work rules since 2012 ... and pay rates unchanged from Jan 2019.
United has ZERO, NADA, NOTHING for a pension..and the pilots are unwilling to even fight for one.
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Old 06-16-2022, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Pro2nd
I just used the published current UPS rates from the APC profile page. Maybe I'm missing something.
Gotcha the last chart has the the 2022 rate and the subsequent rates are 4%, 3.25%, 3.25% better
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Old 06-16-2022, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Mytime2025
United has ZERO, NADA, NOTHING for a pension..and the pilots are unwilling to even fight for one.
why would someone fight for something they don’t want?
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Old 06-16-2022, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Mytime2025
United has ZERO, NADA, NOTHING for a pension..and the pilots are unwilling to even fight for one.
I've got an idea! Lets use our 16% to buy company stock! YGTBSM
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Old 06-16-2022, 12:13 PM
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Screwing over the senior bros with a single pay band is a good first step but it doesn't go far enough. I propose we let management, not seniority, be the gatekeeper for top paying positions, e.g. check airmen and flight instructor. Honestly even just the latter would be a step in the right direction as long as the narrow body check airmen rate is higher than widebody captain. Hopefully we get both, but I'll settle for one of these.
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Old 06-16-2022, 01:20 PM
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I propose we let management, not seniority, be the gatekeeper for top paying positions, e.g. check airmen and flight instructor.
Actually, that’s how it is now.
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Old 06-16-2022, 01:21 PM
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I have it on good authority there will be no pony in this contract.
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Old 06-16-2022, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by worstpilotever
I have it on good authority there will be no pony in this contract.
Bit of a side track but a true story.

Years ago I saw a guy in Newark grabbing a whole bunch of those contractually required granola bars in the CPO and put them in his bag. I made a comment about how I'm glad to see at least one person actually eats these. He said "Hell no, they aren't for me - but my horse absolutely loves them."

We laugh, but the no pony thing may be a deal breaker...
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