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Old 06-21-2022, 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Jersey
To be honest I don't care about this bit$h fest and opinions here Im just interested in seeing more leaked details, rumors and crazy speculation.
40% pay raise, a pony and the mandatory hats and ties are gone.
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Old 06-21-2022, 06:10 AM
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It's pretty surprising that there are so few leaks!
Probably because the MEC is to emberassed to leak anything and are scrambling around trying to figure out how to make it right. We can only hope.
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Old 06-21-2022, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Mudge
40% pay raise, a pony and the mandatory hats and ties are gone.
There we go. I'll substitute the pony for a motorcycle.
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Old 06-21-2022, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Mytime2025
There is very little you can do other than vote. Unfortunately most pilots just wait to have ALPA tell them how to vote. The MEC is a master at making excuses based on some economic assumption that the company can't afford to provide any retirement plan for the pilots and most buy that BS. Our only hope right now imo is to wait for DAL and AA assuming this new TA has a matching clause in it. My prediction is that this TA will be very very underwhelming like 5% , 4% ,4% no improvement to retirement some improvement to reserve rules, smal improvement to vacation / training pay. In other words a pay cut based on inflation from 2018. The sad part is the MEC will vote yes unanimously and all pat themselves on the back on how they worked so hard to bring this " industry leading contract " to the pilots.
Unfortunately everyone is dealing with the time/value of money, and although a 5/4/4 raise is less buying power now than in 2018 to those at 12-year pay, any future re-negotiated AIP is going to have to further make up the loss of missing a pay raise now.
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Old 06-21-2022, 06:22 AM
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Today I learned that pilot pay is a special expense. Fuel prices can double and airlines can still profit, but if pilot pay goes up 40% then the entire passenger sector is unviable. I wasn't convinced of this until I read the cargo comparison. To explain, that's a different industry and supports different rates for pilots because pilot rates are a special expense that vary by industry. Obviously we wouldn't expect UPS to pay more for fuel. That would be ridiculous. But since pilots are a special expense it makes perfect sense for a 777 pilot to cost more at UPS. Thank you to the multiple posters who explained this to me.
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Old 06-21-2022, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyPurdue
Unfortunately everyone is dealing with the time/value of money, and although a 5/4/4 raise is less buying power now than in 2018 to those at 12-year pay, any future re-negotiated AIP is going to have to further make up the loss of missing a pay raise now.
ALPA is a master of the " next time" line. I've been waiting 20yrs and living with the " next time" excuse. The Ole e onomic conditions just don't make it possible now is alive and well. If not now when? Record profits forcast, pilot shortage , the conditions can't be better.
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Old 06-21-2022, 06:29 AM
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Why does everyone want a pony?
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Old 06-21-2022, 06:53 AM
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Why does everyone want a pony?
To carry the bags of gold you are also going to get!
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Old 06-21-2022, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Mudge
40% pay raise, a pony and the mandatory hats and ties are gone.
Beards! For both men and women.
Deal.
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Old 06-21-2022, 07:10 AM
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I now want a pony too or how about a donkey.
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