Reserve Rules
03-31-2022, 10:21 AM
#21
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Well considering our reserve system isn't based on seniority, hence FIFO, not sure why you expect otherwise.
The unfilleds are due to multiple of reasons, not just Reserve rules:
The unfilleds are due to multiple of reasons, not just Reserve rules:
- The very real possibility of losing an assigned winter or spring break vacation this year due to training conflicts. Covid restricted travel for two years. Folks want to go on their vacations.
- The notion that the vacancies will be a perpetual thing so pilots didn't need to bid on them if it didn’t suit them at the time. When one had to wait 20 years to hold Captain, any Captain vacancy even if it meant commuting, was seriously considered, Now that the time to hold Captain is a lot less, there isn't the urgency to grab it ASAP, regardless of domicile.
- And yes reserve rules. But even if you had the greatest reserve system ever, there would be those who avoid bidding it just because its reserve. They will wait until they can be a solid lineholder. No doubt reserve here could be improved. We used to have FSB lines. Those tended to go senior as you had a set schedule of them, and it paid better then “normal” reserve.
03-31-2022, 08:21 PM
#23
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I won't disagree with pretty much anything you said. My issue is the assignments of short calls and FSBs. There appears to be no logic behind most of these assignments (and I'm talking narrowbody basic reserve). For example, CS will place a person in a 6-day silo on a FSB!! That makes absolutely no sense to me. Most FSB assignments are "clean up" activities (ie DH and fly a leg back, etc). And no one can seem to tell me how scheduling decides on which silos to put the SC and FSBs. I know its facetious, but its as if they roll a pair of dice and whatever pops up, that silo get the assignment. I could have just completed a 3-day trip (in a 6-day silo) and have 3 days left. Scheduling puts out a SC in a 3-day silo. Well, if I'm the only one in a 3 day silo, guess who's getting it?!? If I just finished a trip, I don't think I should be getting another assignment right away, but yet it happens all the time. My point is that reserve needs to go back to a seniority based system. Long call and short call lines would be fine by me and the FSBs need to go!!
04-02-2022, 08:43 AM
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I won't disagree with pretty much anything you said. My issue is the assignments of short calls and FSBs. There appears to be no logic behind most of these assignments (and I'm talking narrowbody basic reserve). For example, CS will place a person in a 6-day silo on a FSB!! That makes absolutely no sense to me. Most FSB assignments are "clean up" activities (ie DH and fly a leg back, etc). And no one can seem to tell me how scheduling decides on which silos to put the SC and FSBs. I know its facetious, but its as if they roll a pair of dice and whatever pops up, that silo get the assignment. I could have just completed a 3-day trip (in a 6-day silo) and have 3 days left. Scheduling puts out a SC in a 3-day silo. Well, if I'm the only one in a 3 day silo, guess who's getting it?!? If I just finished a trip, I don't think I should be getting another assignment right away, but yet it happens all the time. My point is that reserve needs to go back to a seniority based system. Long call and short call lines would be fine by me and the FSBs need to go!!
as far as your example of coming off a trip, and then being assigned something right away, that is just luck of the draw. (Subject to the crew desk intentionally building a 3 day SC just to target you.). But if there aren't any other 3 day pilots available then yes you get assigned it. Beyond UPA or FAR required post flight rest what do you expect? And a seniority based system wouldn't change that potentially happening. Being on reserve means you get 12 days off. That also means one is available for 18 days of being on call/flying. A seniority based system wouldn’t change that either.
Legacy UAL has had a FIFO reserve system going as far back as the 1981 Contract. I didn't look further back then that. And it used to be nothing but short call until the BK contract started the long call/short call system. Want to change that then go through the local council process to give direction to your reps.
please don't take this as a our reserve system is fine….improvements can and should definitely happen.
04-02-2022, 11:03 AM
#25
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I won't disagree with pretty much anything you said. My issue is the assignments of short calls and FSBs. There appears to be no logic behind most of these assignments (and I'm talking narrowbody basic reserve). For example, CS will place a person in a 6-day silo on a FSB!! That makes absolutely no sense to me. Most FSB assignments are "clean up" activities (ie DH and fly a leg back, etc). And no one can seem to tell me how scheduling decides on which silos to put the SC and FSBs. I know its facetious, but its as if they roll a pair of dice and whatever pops up, that silo get the assignment. I could have just completed a 3-day trip (in a 6-day silo) and have 3 days left. Scheduling puts out a SC in a 3-day silo. Well, if I'm the only one in a 3 day silo, guess who's getting it?!? If I just finished a trip, I don't think I should be getting another assignment right away, but yet it happens all the time. My point is that reserve needs to go back to a seniority based system. Long call and short call lines would be fine by me and the FSBs need to go!!
The cost are just too low for the company to really worry about paying people for some extra short calls. The opportunity costs are just to low if the alternative is a delayed or even cancelled flight. Unless we can make it a lot more expensive to build what we perceive as frivolous SC/FSB assignments they will continue to happen.
from a company perspective the optimal solution is to put everyone to work.
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