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09-16-2022, 03:30 PM

#141

Swakid8

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Originally Posted by Gooselives

I think pic is important. It is leadership experience. I remember going to career fairs for ual and they tell people to upgrade and get as much pic time as possible. Some just coast as fo

Meh. There are ton of alternate ways of developing leadership skills outside of just being in the left seat.

09-16-2022, 03:33 PM

#142

Knotcher

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Originally Posted by 01110011

I also bailed out plenty of 5k+ PIC captains on the line and flew with some spectacular low time captains. I’ve seen multi thousand hour PIC captains break out in a cold sweat and need hand held through a minor issue. I’ve seen low time captains handle serious problems with composure

Experience is just part of the puzzle. Attitude, Stick and Rudder skills, systems knowledge, leadership skills, etc all play a part.

A sharp, motivated individual can make up for a lack of experience. It’s why we have SOP and an FOM. Experience can also be an Achilles heel with a poor attitude/Sop compliance.

Yeah yeah we can all cherry pick the outliers. More experience is 99% of time always better.

Want the dentist doing his first root canal, or the guy who has done it a thousand times?

09-16-2022, 03:39 PM

#143

01110011

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Originally Posted by Knotcher

Yeah yeah we can all cherry pick the outliers. More experience is 99% of time always better.

Want the dentist doing his first root canal, or the guy who has done it a thousand times?

Not the same, unless dentists work in pairs and alternate root canals. 1,000 hours in the right seat is more than enough time to build the skills you need. The regionals have been putting 1,000 SIC pilots in the left seat for almost a decade, I’d rather someone’s first experience in the left seat be in a highly automated, easier aircraft under the supervision of a world class training department than in a -200 with no autothrottles, stall protection, and a training department of people who were FO’s 6 months prior and have one foot out the door to a major.

We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one. As an FO and then in a training role I found experience was a generally positive indicator for skill/performance but certainly not a requirement.

09-16-2022, 03:39 PM

#144

goinaround

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Originally Posted by Knotcher

Yeah yeah we can all cherry pick the outliers. More experience is 99% of time always better.

Want the dentist doing his first root canal, or the guy who has done it a thousand times?

Well to be fair….I’ve had 2 root canals. One at a specialty place with a very young doc doing the work. Electronic gizmos that could see into your soul and all kinds of crazy technology. Did a great job. The other was the old dude I’d seen since I was a kid using a standard dental drill and magnifying glasses. “Done this a million times” he assured me. Screwed it up so bad I needed to replace the whole shebang with an implant.

And I’ve flown with some older, highly experienced, entitled, lazy, complacent captains that were absolutely terrible.