Out of Base Pick Up
10-11-2021, 08:37 AM
#11
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BTW I was legal for the trip I wanted.
I just didn't have my facts straight to counter argue. The trip was gone seconds later...
10-11-2021, 09:10 AM
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Undermine the contract?! WTF are you taking about? Nice try to stir the pot but no. Unless you can point out that exact verbiage in the contract. Its not there. I just want to know the rules.
I learned that's what the rule protects against. Similar to 95/672. Its a buffer to protect against a FAR 117 rest violation. Seems excessive but when talking about someone OOB to GUM that could cause issues.
BTW I was legal for the trip I wanted. I just didn't have my facts straight to counter argue. The trip was gone seconds later...
I learned that's what the rule protects against. Similar to 95/672. Its a buffer to protect against a FAR 117 rest violation. Seems excessive but when talking about someone OOB to GUM that could cause issues.
BTW I was legal for the trip I wanted.
I just didn't have my facts straight to counter argue. The trip was gone seconds later...
10-11-2021, 11:33 AM
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I don’t pickup out of base so I don’t know or care about the provisions. If the 30 hr rule doesn’t apply to you then have at it. If it does and you try to call back to get a different scheduler who looks the other way, that is undermining the contract…pretty simple.
10-11-2021, 11:40 AM
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Undermine the contract?! WTF are you taking about? Nice try to stir the pot but no. Unless you can point out that exact verbiage in the contract. Its not there. I just want to know the rules.
I learned that's what the rule protects against. Similar to 95/672. Its a buffer to protect against a FAR 117 rest violation. Seems excessive but when talking about someone OOB to GUM that could cause issues.
BTW I was legal for the trip I wanted. I just didn't have my facts straight to counter argue. The trip was gone seconds later...
I learned that's what the rule protects against. Similar to 95/672. Its a buffer to protect against a FAR 117 rest violation. Seems excessive but when talking about someone OOB to GUM that could cause issues.
BTW I was legal for the trip I wanted.
I just didn't have my facts straight to counter argue. The trip was gone seconds later...
10-11-2021, 01:59 PM
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his point was that it’s not in the contract I think
10-11-2021, 08:02 PM
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"Crew schedulers have received training on the new procedure, but while the process is new, pilots may have to remind them that there is no longer a requirement for 30 hours rest before or after the Out-of-Base Basic trip. Of course, the 30 in 168 FAR rest rule still applies."
So, in a way if I remind the Scheduler that 30 hours before/after the Basic trip doesn't apply... I'm actually enforcing the contract. ;-)
10-12-2021, 09:25 AM
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The 30 hr rule as described doesn’t apply to me - or anyone else. Your mis/uninformed statement of undermining the contract is not at all relevant (or true), and shows you did absolutely no research before offering an unrelated opinion of others picking up trips out of base, something you don’t do and clearly know little about.
10-12-2021, 10:49 AM
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The 30 hr rule as described doesn’t apply to me - or anyone else. Your mis/uninformed statement of undermining the contract is not at all relevant (or true), and shows you did absolutely no research before offering an unrelated opinion of others picking up trips out of base, something you don’t do and clearly know little about.
10-12-2021, 11:28 AM
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Restriction. Changed in 2017. You could always pick up out of base In Your own timezone before that without issues.
Even then, most schedulers were trained but a few didn’t get the memo.
the only thing I’ll add is that for the schedulers that were trained in OOB pickups, they’d add a “fake” 1 minute show time an hour prior to show adjusting for your time zone that allowed their computer to compensate for your FAR crew rest acclimation calculation and the problem was solved.
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