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07-19-2021, 11:46 AM

#131

Barney

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Originally Posted by mossimo

Agree. The pivot away from RJ flying is long overdue for many reasons, I'm just curious when it starts to move towards the 10% goal. Is it a one for one with new/used jets arriving? I'd like a timeline. We are still getting around 25 used 73G, and another 30-ish used 319s. Add that to the 270 and the NB # grows even bigger.

Supposedly, the 30 or so EasyJet 319s will be sold and never see the line.[/QUOTE]

interesting, I wonder what happened to the Easy Jet birds. thought these would be well maintained and nice additions. we turned down several of the China 319s because the maintenance/records/parts wasn't good, so maybe this is the same. And we haven't exactly blazed a trail getting the Air Tran/SW 73Gs on line so I'm wondering if that will go through. Cheers

07-19-2021, 12:42 PM

#132

BurritoBeach

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Originally Posted by Barney

Supposedly, the 30 or so EasyJet 319s will be sold and never see the line.

interesting, I wonder what happened to the Easy Jet birds. thought these would be well maintained and nice additions. we turned down several of the China 319s because the maintenance/records/parts wasn't good, so maybe this is the same. And we haven't exactly blazed a trail getting the Air Tran/SW 73Gs on line so I'm wondering if that will go through. Cheers[/QUOTE]

I think a big issue is the fact that the EasyJet birds are CFM powered. I guess pre-Covid this was a worthy investment, but now that we’re trying to save cash it’s better to part them out to keep the current (IAE) aircraft flying. Fifi is still a good frame, but ours are old and need lots of TLC.

07-20-2021, 07:40 PM

#133

fadec

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Scope actually got so bad that a significant number of guys with flow or interview rights at CAL decided to stay at ExpressJet. No one has a crystal ball and I know it was their life and their choice. Many of them have no regrets. But I regret for them. I mourn for them. The sadness comes in waves and near its peak the suffocating weight and darkness too great to bear. We can never relax scope like that again. Ever. Guys, I'm crying right now.

07-21-2021, 09:25 AM

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Andy

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Originally Posted by BurritoBeach

interesting, I wonder what happened to the Easy Jet birds. thought these would be well maintained and nice additions. we turned down several of the China 319s because the maintenance/records/parts wasn't good, so maybe this is the same. And we haven't exactly blazed a trail getting the Air Tran/SW 73Gs on line so I'm wondering if that will go through. Cheers

I think a big issue is the fact that the EasyJet birds are CFM powered. I guess pre-Covid this was a worthy investment, but now that we’re trying to save cash it’s better to part them out to keep the current (IAE) aircraft flying. Fifi is still a good frame, but ours are old and need lots of TLC.

The CFMs are an issue. Not flying them; I used to fly at a carrier that had both IAEs and CFMs and we flew them interchangeably (minimal differences on the pilot side). I think the issue comes in on the MX/parts side, as it would require more spare parts to be kept on hand. Personally, I'd love if the lazy U would transition on over to CFMs on Fifi rather than IAEs; the CFMs perform better from a pilot POV.

I've also read that for new vs used aircraft, the up front costs are greater to buy used aircraft vs new since you can do a sale/leaseback on a new aircraft. I don't know if that's true or not; just what I've read. Take it for what it's worth.