Originally Posted by ThumbsUp

https://www.thehealthyamerican.org/vaccines

Originally Posted by AxlF16

There is also a convenient link on that site where you can buy your very own religious exemption documents. This will be interesting to watch unfold....

Originally Posted by snolat

None of the captains or FOs I’ve flown with seem to care so why should anyone else?

Originally Posted by hummingbear

CAs & FOs are at least healthy enough to pass a flight physical, & many feel confident about their odds against the virus. The flying public may be a more diverse group when it comes to health concerns. IOW, opinions in the font of the plane may not be representative of those in the back.

Originally Posted by snolat

So this is where I’m at. For my own reasons I’ve decided to turn down the vaccine for now. The LOA affords me the opportunity to wait until potentially the end of 2022. I fully accept the consequences of my decision, including restrictions on international flying and potential reduced pay. My hope is that by the end of ‘22 things have settled down and there will be no company mandate. However, if the mandate comes I will comply and get vaccinated. I don’t understand why so many people are getting worked up about this. None of the captains or FOs I’ve flown with seem to care so why should anyone else?

Originally Posted by fadec

Fine. Let me humor you further with 4 points of the Helsinki code. Coercion in human trials performed under EUA fail all of these. Point 23 specifically mentions dependent relationships like the employer/employee relationship in this case. Though obviously intended for a different purpose, I think an employer forcing an employee to get vaxed fails the same ethical test.
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20. The subjects must be volunteers and informed
participants in the research project.

21. The right of research subjects to safeguard their
integrity must always be respected. Every precaution should be taken to respect the privacy of the subject, the
confidentiality of the patient’s information and to minimize
the impact of the study on the subject’s physical and mental integrity and on the personality of the subject.

22. In any research on human beings, each potential subject must be adequately informed of the aims, methods, sources of funding, any possible conflicts of interest, institutional affiliations of the researcher, the anticipated benefits and potential risks of the study and the discomfort it may entail. The subject should be informed of the right to abstain from participation in the study or to withdraw consent to participate at any time without reprisal. After ensuring that the subject has understood the information, the physician should then obtain the subject’s freely-given informed consent, preferably in writing. If the consent cannot be obtained in writing, the non-written consent must be formally documented and witnessed.

23. When obtaining informed consent for the research
project the physician should be particularly cautious if the subject is in a dependent relationship with the physician or may consent under duress. In that case the informed consent should be obtained by a well-informed physician who is not engaged in the investigation and who is completely independent of this relationship.

Originally Posted by snolat

So in your opinion I should not be entitled to the rights the LOA affords me? Or do you feel I am wrong for exercising them? If the answer to either of these questions is yes, then you should contact your reps and ask them to rescind the LOA once the add pay ends June 30th. If you haven’t already.

Originally Posted by AxlF16

This applies to everyone unless I’m missing what you’re taking about. Reasonable accommodations of Title IX and the ADA are federal rules. That being said, the debate isn’t whether or not an employee has to give you reasonable accommodations. United has already said they will do that. It’s what form those reasonable accommodations are and to whom they apply. Just not wanting to get the vaccine isn’t enough and the reasonable accommodations cannot cause undue hardship to the business or fundamentally change it’s operation.

Originally Posted by hummingbear

Um, not what I said at all. You asked why anyone would feel differently than the pilots you’ve been flying with & I answered your question.

At ease.