UAL Vaccination
05-17-2021, 02:27 PM
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2. except when it poses a public health risk. if after the polio or MMR vaccines were developed, the public did not get on board and achieve a vaccination rate high enough to eradicate the virus, that poses a risk to society. I fully sympathize with a libertarian standpoint, but at some point there are certain rights we all give up to live in close proximity to one another.
05-17-2021, 02:38 PM
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I’m starting to hear some rumblings. But it hasn’t kicked off yet. The issue I have is that the people who checked into the gain of function lab in Wuhan are the very same scientists who were doing the study and or providing funding for the lab. They found themselves to be blameless. Go figure.
There needs to be a real life independent forensic look back on those labs that are performing gain of function viral testing in China. Gain of function testing is illegal in the USA BTW. That’s why the testing was moved to China.
Any scientist who have speculated that labs are a likely place for this virus to have originated were immediately labeled as racist and a conspiracy theorist. Which makes it very suspect that the CCP is engaged in a cover up. Because neither is true.
The labs are the most likely source of this virus for multiple reasons.
One, they were conducting research on gain of function bat corona virus at said lab.
Two, the bat virus they were studying was on a species of bats that reside in an area that is 1,000 miles from Wuhan.
Three multiple scientists have stated that the virus shows signs that it was altered in a lab.
And fourth it’s is completely reasonable to question the lab as a point of origin. Especially since the very lab in question was cited for having safety and improper handling protocol issues two years before Covid 19 infected the world. Why would we not look into them?
The CCP doth protest to much me thinks.
That being said I am not placing blame, I’m saying that we need to find out what the source was for the safety and health of the planet.
I am not anti vax or anti science. No matter the source and origin of the virus it is my opinion that we are better off vaccinated than not. My entire family is fully vaccinated.
There needs to be a real life independent forensic look back on those labs that are performing gain of function viral testing in China. Gain of function testing is illegal in the USA BTW. That’s why the testing was moved to China.
Any scientist who have speculated that labs are a likely place for this virus to have originated were immediately labeled as racist and a conspiracy theorist. Which makes it very suspect that the CCP is engaged in a cover up. Because neither is true.
The labs are the most likely source of this virus for multiple reasons.
One, they were conducting research on gain of function bat corona virus at said lab.
Two, the bat virus they were studying was on a species of bats that reside in an area that is 1,000 miles from Wuhan.
Three multiple scientists have stated that the virus shows signs that it was altered in a lab.
And fourth it’s is completely reasonable to question the lab as a point of origin. Especially since the very lab in question was cited for having safety and improper handling protocol issues two years before Covid 19 infected the world. Why would we not look into them?
The CCP doth protest to much me thinks.
That being said I am not placing blame, I’m saying that we need to find out what the source was for the safety and health of the planet.
I am not anti vax or anti science. No matter the source and origin of the virus it is my opinion that we are better off vaccinated than not. My entire family is fully vaccinated.
Everything I've seen has indicated that there was NO genetic engineering evident on covid. If it was engineered, there would be obvious signs, we don't have the technology to do that kind of "surgery" without leaving obvious genetic scars and loose ends.
Now it could have been selectively bred in a lab without leaving any structural signs of manipulation... the only way you'd know would be to examine it and make a judgement call as to the likely-hood that it *could* have evolved in nature due to natural evolutionary pressure. If somebody selectively bred a wolf to have a slightly different fur color, you couldn't really say that it couldn't have happened in nature... but if somebody bred a wolf to look like a poodle, then you know just by examining it that it had some help along the way. If covid is pretty similar to a wolf (it appears to be), then it's hard to know for sure that it was bred to be something different.
05-17-2021, 03:10 PM
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Funny how the various health organizations just a month ago were screaming that it did not prevent transmission and to keep wearing those masks!
Thats the problem, between the hysteria and the politicization and the breathless clown show that is the press, it’s impossible to get a straight story.
What is “National Geographic” going to have to say about the gain of function bat virus research that was being conducted in Wuhan? Or are they to compromised by the CCP to accurately report on it too?
Thats the problem, between the hysteria and the politicization and the breathless clown show that is the press, it’s impossible to get a straight story.
What is “National Geographic” going to have to say about the gain of function bat virus research that was being conducted in Wuhan? Or are they to compromised by the CCP to accurately report on it too?
Because the vaccines were developed on an accelerated timeline, researchers were primarily concerned with demonstrating that they were safe and effective at training the human body to fight the virus. Those early clinical trials were not focused on other questions- like whether they prevented viral spread. (Importantly, no one ever said they did not do that- only that there was not enough data to conclude that they did. There’s a huge difference there.) As time has gone on and mass vaccinations have provided amounts of data full orders of of magnitude greater than were available in the development stages, the scientific community have studied this question, and are increasingly being led to the conclusion that your vaccination does, in fact, make you statistically less likely to spread the virus to those around you. That means Mom & Dad when you take the kids for a visit, your brother on chemo, or the poor lady bagging your groceries who’s going home to care for her elderly mother. As that becomes a matter of increased consensus, it gets harder to justify skipping the shot on the grounds that you, personally, are in a safer demographic.
And since this is a question of vaccine efficacy, the virus’ origins are not germane. Whether it came from a wet market, a virology lab, demon alien sperm; or was funded by Chinese communists or Anthony Fauci, the vaccine protects you from it just the same.
05-17-2021, 03:26 PM
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Not really, but kinda related...
I wanted to read the “covid update for the TK” message on CCS today, but I accidentally deleted it before I could read it. Is there somewhere I can retrieve deleted messages?
I wanted to read the “covid update for the TK” message on CCS today, but I accidentally deleted it before I could read it. Is there somewhere I can retrieve deleted messages?
05-17-2021, 03:53 PM
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Sort of, but we’re not talking about immigration and some yells out you’re a pedophile. If a person is skeptical of the honesty/competency of those involved in making vaccines and therefore choose not get vaccinated... are they not an anti-vaxxer?
Firstly, those vaccines are mandatory to go to kindergarten in many, if not most places. Secondly, Just because I don’t think the skepticism is warranted, doesn’t indicate a stance on mandatory vaccination. However, in order to have a conversation about whether or not to do something, I think both sides need to at least understand the valid ideological backgrounds behind each side.
between the party of sanctimony and the party of strategic skepticism, I doubt an intelligent conversation will be had. But I still try
between the party of sanctimony and the party of strategic skepticism, I doubt an intelligent conversation will be had. But I still try
05-17-2021, 04:00 PM
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We don’t know at this point how long our bodies remain tolerant to the virus. Also, your symptoms can be the result of a number of factors, including viral load of exposure. So it could be that your body’s a superstar at virus crushing as you claim, but it could also be that you were only exposed to a low level of virus. Would that then mean you developed a lower immuno-response and are more likely to get reinfected than someone who had a higher exposure? Again, we need more time & research to know.
So the vaccine’s effect on your immune system probably falls somewhere between completely moot & a booster. In time we may get a clearer picture of what the most effective timeline for post-recovery vaccination looks like, but for now, it’s safe & functions as greater assurance that you’re out of the supply chain of viral hosts. Keeps grandma safe & gets us all closer to the time we can take these damn masks of & get back to senior man pay & summer vacations in Europe.
05-17-2021, 04:07 PM
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You didn’t miss much. We still have to wear masks at TK, but temp checks are no longer required (now voluntary) and all entrances/exits are open instead of only being able to get in through the B and F buildings.
05-17-2021, 04:25 PM
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Again, I’m all for allowing the data to go through the established approval process. I just wonder how many people who are skeptical of an emergency authorization based on 3 months of data are really going to be convinced by full approval based on 6.
05-17-2021, 05:16 PM
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First off, let me say I am not an “anti-vaxxer” by any means, and no I don’t think there’s a “microchip” in this latest vaccine. 🤦🏼♂️. But I am concerned about the long-term effects of this. An Emergency Use Authorization is not the same an FDA approval. So I did a simple internet search of the ingredients of the Moderna vaccine. One of the components is called “SM-102”, an ionizable amino lipid.
So I did a search for SM-102 and found the MSDS, and it clearly states “For research only, not for human or veterinary use.” Also states health hazards as: “H351 Suspected of causing cancer. H361 Suspected of damaging fertility or the unborn child. H372 Causes damage to the central nervous system, the kidneys, the liver and the respiratory system through prolonged or repeated exposure.”
Yeah, sign me up. 🤦🏼♂️
So I did a search for SM-102 and found the MSDS, and it clearly states “For research only, not for human or veterinary use.” Also states health hazards as: “H351 Suspected of causing cancer. H361 Suspected of damaging fertility or the unborn child. H372 Causes damage to the central nervous system, the kidneys, the liver and the respiratory system through prolonged or repeated exposure.”
Yeah, sign me up. 🤦🏼♂️
Good intel. I looked it up for myself. WTH
05-17-2021, 07:35 PM
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