Airhoss

I’m starting to hear some rumblings. But it hasn’t kicked off yet. The issue I have is that the people who checked into the gain of function lab in Wuhan are the very same scientists who were doing the study and or providing funding for the lab. They found themselves to be blameless. Go figure.

There needs to be a real life independent forensic look back on those labs that are performing gain of function viral testing in China. Gain of function testing is illegal in the USA BTW. That’s why the testing was moved to China.

Any scientist who have speculated that labs are a likely place for this virus to have originated were immediately labeled as racist and a conspiracy theorist. Which makes it very suspect that the CCP is engaged in a cover up. Because neither is true.

The labs are the most likely source of this virus for multiple reasons.

One, they were conducting research on gain of function bat corona virus at said lab.

Two, the bat virus they were studying was on a species of bats that reside in an area that is 1,000 miles from Wuhan.

Three multiple scientists have stated that the virus shows signs that it was altered in a lab.

And fourth it’s is completely reasonable to question the lab as a point of origin. Especially since the very lab in question was cited for having safety and improper handling protocol issues two years before Covid 19 infected the world. Why would we not look into them?

The CCP doth protest to much me thinks.

That being said I am not placing blame, I’m saying that we need to find out what the source was for the safety and health of the planet.

I am not anti vax or anti science. No matter the source and origin of the virus it is my opinion that we are better off vaccinated than not. My entire family is fully vaccinated.

flightmedic01

First off, let me say I am not an “anti-vaxxer” by any means, and no I don’t think there’s a “microchip” in this latest vaccine. 🤦🏼‍♂️. But I am concerned about the long-term effects of this. An Emergency Use Authorization is not the same an FDA approval. So I did a simple internet search of the ingredients of the Moderna vaccine. One of the components is called “SM-102”, an ionizable amino lipid.

So I did a search for SM-102 and found the MSDS, and it clearly states “For research only, not for human or veterinary use.” Also states health hazards as: “H351 Suspected of causing cancer. H361 Suspected of damaging fertility or the unborn child. H372 Causes damage to the central nervous system, the kidneys, the liver and the respiratory system through prolonged or repeated exposure.”

Yeah, sign me up. 🤦🏼‍♂️

fadec

Anti-vaxxer is argumentum ad hominem. You can immediately dismiss it as well as any dependant points. There are a lot of reasons not to take these vaccines. "I'd rather not" is as legitimate as any and cannot be debunked.

dingdong

[QUOTE=flightmedic01;3236095]H372 Causes damage to the central nervous system, the kidneys, the liver and the respiratory system through prolonged or repeated exposure.”[/QUOTE]

Hopefully two shots is all we need...

I do agree that "emergency use authorization" makes me worried for my future, but boy do I sleep better (and have better cell service) knowing that I have had two shots.

ThumbsUp

It’s a personal choice, but no one should be making the decision based on what it’s made from. Nearly all pharmaceutical stocks come from something that would harm people if ingested in their unaltered state. The primary stock in Tylenol is phenol, which would certainly hurt you if taken alone in sufficient quantities.

duvie

1. Anti-VAXer is only ad hominem if you feel it’s a derogatory thing to be… Many people who are skeptical of vaccination protocol are proud. They feel that they are seeing something the rest of us are not.

2. except when it poses a public health risk. if after the polio or MMR vaccines were developed, the public did not get on board and achieve a vaccination rate high enough to eradicate the virus, that poses a risk to society. I fully sympathize with a libertarian standpoint, but at some point there are certain rights we all give up to live in close proximity to one another. General philosophical idea is called a “social contract.”

as Rickair stated, at some point a leader has to make a tough call on the risk reward of certain policies. You cannot always err on the side of ultimate freedom, because sometimes the cost to society would be too high. Driving regulations are the best example I can think of. If we are all are going to adopt a technology like that, there have to be limits, so that we are not killing each other (not that 40,000 deaths a year is low, but think of how much higher it could be). My point is that it’s not a black-and-white civil liberties issue. We all accept that there are things we must comply with… Until there is hard evidence against the vaccine, it sure seems like the risks of Covid are significantly higher than the risks of the vaccine.

UALfoLIFE

LOL!!!!!



You should stop leaving your house or coming to work on a daily basis if you’re worried about substances in your daily life that cause cancer. In fact your probably not safe in your own home either.

sigler

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-...-box-at-wuhan/

Grumble

Why do I need a vaccine for an illness I’ve already had, have anti bodies for, and that didn’t so much as give me the sniffles? My immune system already knows how to crush it.

rickair7777

Probably need to go back to school. You got the MSDS for chloroform, which apparently is used to store the SM-102. The chloroform doesn't go into the vaccine, although maybe it would improve it, being vaguely chemically related to clorox bleach.

This is how anti-vaxxers come up with all the crazy stuff... randomly google anything and everything until some scary words appear on the screen and then spool up to an 80,000 rpm frenzy. No actual comprehension required.

You don't really think they'd put a carcinogenic AND mutagenic substance in the vaccines and then if they did that you'd just be able to google it??? And somehow all the news media (including FNC) somehow missed that? Come on, that's not how conspiracy theories work.