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Old 08-13-2021, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JetDoc
I recently asked my sister, a 30 year United FA the same and her answer was similar. She simply is not interested in the same things her airline pilot brother is. No interest in how airplanes work, how to fly them, period. She is not wired that way. As far as the lifestyle, she made several interesting points. As a pilot you are locked into one airframe with much less scheduling flexibility. As a flight attendant you have a pool of 20,000 plus who are qualified on all airframes, making trip trading, swapping, dropping much, much easier. She raised 2 daughters and missed very few of their important milestones growing up because of work. Small sample size I know but if you extrapolate it provides a bit of perspective.
For some reason it is taboo to admit that males and females are generally wired differently. Women can be excellent pilots, but most don’t want to be. Men can be excellent elementary school teachers, but most don’t want to be. I wonder which job I’d get fired from faster, dealing with rude passengers as a FA or a room full of someone else’s kids.
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That's a good interview. It was worth the time to watch.
Pretty good.

About 22:20 I think is when she completely lost it.
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Pretty good.

About 22:20 I think is when she completely lost it.
Was thinking the exact thing. 23:00 she was actually speechless and stunned. It was so obvious she was a typical journalist only interested in surface level info. As soon as he took it one step deeper it destroyed her “gotcha” moment.
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I’m a Peterson fan for disclosure. If you liked that link, you will like a lot more that’s out there.
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Spot on. A lot of journalist on the left side (but I repeat myself for 95% of them) have a predetermined outcome they want to report. They just need some talking heads that will support and say what they want to write and report. When someone comes with intellect and facts, they either deny it, cut them off, change the subject, or get flustered.
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Old 08-20-2021, 08:20 AM
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Diversity is beneficial to some careers, not ours. Why people are so obsessed with skin color or gender is beyond me
There is a multi-billion dollar industry that doesn’t want this issue to go away. Classic example of “the doctor that doesn’t want the patient to get better”…
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There is a multi-billion dollar industry that doesn’t want this issue to go away. Classic example of “the doctor that doesn’t want the patient to get better”…
“There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”


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Some things never change. Racism is always bad…..unless used to your advantage.
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Old 10-07-2021, 08:24 AM
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Job Advertisements

It is illegal for an employer to publish a job advertisement that shows a preference for or discourages someone from applying for a job because of his or her race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information.

For example, a help-wanted ad that seeks "females" or "recent college graduates" may discourage men and people over 40 from applying and may violate the law.

Recruitment

It is also illegal for an employer to recruit new employees in a way that discriminates against them because of their race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information.

For example, an employer's reliance on word-of-mouth recruitment by its mostly Hispanic work force may violate the law if the result is that almost all new hires are Hispanic.



Application & Hiring

It is illegal for an employer to discriminate against a job applicant because of his or her race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information. For example, an employer may not refuse to give employment applications to people of a certain race.

An employer may not base hiring decisions on stereotypes and assumptions about a person's race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information.

If an employer requires job applicants to take a test, the test must be necessary and related to the job and the employer may not exclude people of a particular race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, or individuals with disabilities. In addition, the employer may not use a test that excludes applicants age 40 or older if the test is not based on a reasonable factor other than age.

If a job applicant with a disability needs an accommodation (such as a sign language interpreter) to apply for a job, the employer is required to provide the accommodation, so long as the accommodation does not cause the employer significant difficulty or expense.



https://www.eeoc.gov/prohibited-employment-policiespractices#application_and_hiring

How are airlines getting away with this? How is any company in any industry? Hasn't it been illegal for longer than most of us have been alive to make hiring decisions based on race and gender? (Yet this is exactly what they are doing in plain sight!). I'm not aware of any barriers that prevent anyone from any background (aside from MONEY) from training to be a pilot. People can be born poor in any race or as any gender.

Skill, training record, education, personality, adaptability, ability to work fast and under pressure are important factors to be considered for this job. I don't even see how race or gender is even relevant to this job. As others have said, some people are science minded or gear heads, others aren't interested in stuff like that at all. No one is stopping anyone from pursuing this path. This mentality is a huge step backwards. Grouping people by race or gender is utterly foolish and unacceptable.

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Old 10-07-2021, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ClearPr0p

Job Advertisements

It is illegal for an employer to publish a job advertisement that shows a preference for or discourages someone from applying for a job because of his or her race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information.



For example, a help-wanted ad that seeks "females" or "recent college graduates" may discourage men and people over 40 from applying and may violate the law.

Recruitment

It is also illegal for an employer to recruit new employees in a way that discriminates against them because of their race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information.



For example, an employer's reliance on word-of-mouth recruitment by its mostly Hispanic work force may violate the law if the result is that almost all new hires are Hispanic.





Application & Hiring

It is illegal for an employer to discriminate against a job applicant because of his or her race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information. For example, an employer may not refuse to give employment applications to people of a certain race.



An employer may not base hiring decisions on stereotypes and assumptions about a person's race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information.



If an employer requires job applicants to take a test, the test must be necessary and related to the job and the employer may not exclude people of a particular race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, or individuals with disabilities. In addition, the employer may not use a test that excludes applicants age 40 or older if the test is not based on a reasonable factor other than age.



If a job applicant with a disability needs an accommodation (such as a sign language interpreter) to apply for a job, the employer is required to provide the accommodation, so long as the accommodation does not cause the employer significant difficulty or expense.



https://www.eeoc.gov/prohibited-empl...ion_and_hiring



How are airlines getting away with this? How is any company in any industry? Hasn't it been illegal for longer than most of us have been alive to make hiring decisions based on race and gender? (Yet this is exactly what they are doing in plain sight!). I'm not aware of any barriers that prevent anyone from any background (aside from MONEY) from training to be a pilot. People can be born poor in any race or as any gender.
Seems like it's be hard to advertise a job for a "hooters girl." And somehow, the last step club I went to didn't have any males on stage. Either there are exceptions, or it's not being enforced.

With that being said, I don't see how that's relevant to wanting to INCREASE diversity in a workforce. These limitations are all about preventing companies from refusing to be diverse.

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Old 10-07-2021, 08:42 AM
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With that being said, I don't see how that's relevant to wanting to INCREASE diversity in a workforce. These limitations are all about preventing companies from refusing to be diverse.

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Ask the people who are being turned away from the job because of their race or gender.. it's relevant to them! Many have tried for over 20 years with perfect resumes and a great attitude/personality.
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