Desdi

Whether you support this program or not, most people who have been in the corporate world can identify that’s meaningless doublespeak when you don’t declare said standard..... is the minimum standard a 2.5 GPA in HS? Does it mean a heartbeat? Does it mean a 4.0 and at 4 yrs in a foreign language?

XJ86

https://www.google.com/amp/s/redstate.com/bonchie/2021/04/09/boston-hospital-to-offer-preferential-care-based-on-race-with-reparations-framework-n357769/amp

Hope noone gets injured or needs the er in Boston and is a white male.... you'll be dead before being seen and stuck with double the bill sot hey can pay for freeloaders

AAL763

So, they just have to meet the bare minimum requirements. Comforting to know....

flynd94

I hope not because I was a solid 3.0 in HS and my mantra in college was “D for degree” in college. I managed to make to UA through the old CPP.

Aviation wise I never failed a check ride,phase/stage checks, no additional training in the regionals and became a LCA.

Desdi

Which are not even identified at that.

Desdi

Yup but when you have no aviation credentials, how should you stack then applications for such an amazing opportunity which would maximize chances of success? I was highlighting United essentially said: all selectees will meet or exceed a standard (which has yet to be defined).... well of course, that’s like someone assuring you the sun will rise in the East tomorrow🤷🏼‍♂️

jDSTJD

Well, doesn't the Aviate Academy already exist? If so, it seems from United's statement that the recruits under this program would have to meet or exceed the qualifications for acceptance into the academy as those qualifications are in effect now. Are you arguing that the recruits should have to exceed the qualifications of the other applicants in order to be accepted and trained under the program?

tyler durden

Use similar stereotypes with members of other ethic/age groups or do you save them for the only “Politically correct“ group you claim to be prejudice against? So brave...seriously, do you ever go back and reread what you write? Bragging about your entitled prejudice on your keyboard...while Calling out “keyboard warriors”?? Question: do you use your “stones“ to confront these “old white males“?

Old white men are the latest fashionable targets for ridicule, huh? What wardrobe would alleviate your suffering (groan??) Life must be hard for you.

Identity politics 101: Separate groups by age, ethnicity, religion, politics, Financial status, whatever it takes to create division, distrust and hate.

From an old white guy (who does not wear Kirklands), I Find young people, old people and everyone in between, of every ethnicity, religion, nationality, and gender to be unique. Some more interesting than others, but never based on categories. With age many of us ‘old white men’ have decades to learn that prejudice is wrong on so many levels, the biggest of which is that you are usually wrong. Try giving old people a chance, you might be pleasantly surprised, Who knows, you might actually learn something

Desdi

Yes it does.... So when a corporation says “ recruits under this program would have to meet or exceed the qualifications for acceptance”, but don’t define that standard and it’s internal to the programs can’t you see that is corporate doublespeak? Can you identify these “qualifications for acceptance” besides the bare minimum for any yahoo starting their flight training from their website? I can’t! Have you visited their website?

If their website said qualifications for admittance:

At least ____ GPA
Minimum _____ on your Private Knowledge exam
At least _____ on SAT (math)

Now you’ve set a standard and now that is no longer meaningless doublespeak and your post from United would hold credibility. Pros or Cons aside of this new initiative do you see my point?

Regularguy

Did any of you read the Aviate program flow?

Private pilot paid for, the rest out of pocket and graduate with a CFII, MEL. Cost just under $80k. Total hours somewhere near 300. Oh and no College Degree out of the program from what I read.

Move onto partner organization and teach until they reach 1500+ hours, then fly for RJ outfit and if the candidate has kept their nose clean will be offered the dream job as a F/O with mainline United.

My estimate total time from start to UAL 5-10 years starting from zero. But the needs of the service could reduce or even expand those times.

Just think about how many will drop out of the process along the way.

In the mean time UAL still needs to hire pilots and probably only a few will come through the program.

Will there be any significant changes in “diversity?” Probably not, because for the next 5 plus years there just won’t be an expanded pool of qualified pilots who fit the profile.