United diversity.......
04-06-2021, 05:12 PM
#22
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Serious. If having too many white guys is an issue for him, why not resign? I’ll tell you why. Because he doesn’t care enough to inconvenience himself. But he’s more than ok with a future new-hire not getting a job based on race. How convenient wouldn’t you say?
04-06-2021, 05:47 PM
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My good friend spent almost 20 years flying as an ex-pat after BubbleJet failed, all it in Asia (as Captain) for one airline or another. From what he tells me, nearly ALL of his FO's were VERY low-time pilots who managed to have the secret handshake and key to the cockpit. IOW, flying experience, skill, and merit had nothing to do with their stripes. Somedays, stuff happens. Who do YOU want next to you when it does? I don't care who you are, who your parents were, or who you choose to love... can you fly and keep your head on straight when the feces pings the fan blades?
All that being said, I have seen some guys with stellar resumes do incredibly stupid things in airplanes.
04-06-2021, 05:58 PM
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There is a chasm between early outreach and modifying standards. Outreach that gets more people interested in aviation - that brings out the best of a more diverse and well qualified pool of candidates to United is just good policy. Full stop. Nobody is lowering standards and we get to build good pilots from the ground up with this program, so strawmanning one for the other is a lazy argument.
Agree with Vernon that we could probably all do better at encouraging the little girl or boy from any background to come up and check out the flight deck and not feel it’s a hassle. We have a really great profession but it hasn’t always been a really welcoming one.
Agree with Vernon that we could probably all do better at encouraging the little girl or boy from any background to come up and check out the flight deck and not feel it’s a hassle. We have a really great profession but it hasn’t always been a really welcoming one.
04-06-2021, 06:25 PM
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As a white male, I’ve spent the last 22 years flying with 99 % white males. I’ve run out of things to talk about and welcome the diversity this might bring to a flight deck I’m a member of. As long as they are qualified to be in the seat, being them on. The difficult part of this ambitious goal (at least 2500 non white males trained/placed at United Express carriers and ultimately United Airlines over the next 10 years) is finding those individuals and steering them in our direction (through Aviate). We won’t be the only carrier trying to attract these underrepresented future pilots. I hope our Aviate group is looking into junior high visits etc where career decisions are often formed because we are really going to need a ton of interest in order to see 2,500 success stories in ten years.
Over the years I’ve noticed a trend. During boarding, young people (age 6-15) traveling with their parents may or may not be interested in stopping by the flight deck for a quick tour and pic and their parents often direct the interest. White parents are far more prone to nudge their kid into the cockpit for a tour. I’ve noticed several parents that were non-white smile at my offer but say things like “he/she doesn’t need to be up there bothering you, or are you serious?” Non- white people don’t often know pilots personally and therefore aren’t as comfortable walking into a strange work environment while a larger percentage of whites do know or have airline pilots in their lives and feel more comfortable interacting with them in this setting. A cockpit visit confirmed my desire to do this for a living. I was around 6.
Over the years I’ve noticed a trend. During boarding, young people (age 6-15) traveling with their parents may or may not be interested in stopping by the flight deck for a quick tour and pic and their parents often direct the interest. White parents are far more prone to nudge their kid into the cockpit for a tour. I’ve noticed several parents that were non-white smile at my offer but say things like “he/she doesn’t need to be up there bothering you, or are you serious?” Non- white people don’t often know pilots personally and therefore aren’t as comfortable walking into a strange work environment while a larger percentage of whites do know or have airline pilots in their lives and feel more comfortable interacting with them in this setting. A cockpit visit confirmed my desire to do this for a living. I was around 6.
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04-06-2021, 06:27 PM
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04-06-2021, 09:49 PM
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As a female, this is disappointing. The best candidates should be hired based on skills and qualifications, not a metric. It's going to make the whole lot of us (women, other minorities) seem less qualified because we were hired to meet a quota, not because we were best for a job. Eventually that will show and it'll hurt the reputation of those of us who were hired for the right reasons. I'm the only female at my current job (15 pilot part 91 gig) and I appreciate that I was hired for the quality of work I do and not to check a box. I'm sure my colleagues appreciate it, too.
This a step backwards, IMO.
This a step backwards, IMO.
04-06-2021, 10:09 PM
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As a female, this is disappointing. The best candidates should be hired based on skills and qualifications, not a metric. It's going to make the whole lot of us (women, other minorities) seem less qualified because we were hired to meet a quota, not because we were best for a job. Eventually that will show and it'll hurt the reputation of those of us who were hired for the right reasons. I'm the only female at my current job (15 pilot part 91 gig) and I appreciate that I was hired for the quality of work I do and not to check a box. I'm sure my colleagues appreciate it, too.
This a step backwards, IMO.
This a step backwards, IMO.
So why are there 10 male pilots at United for every 1 female? Because the pool of candidates to work at a major airline currently only allows for that.
The announcement by United isn't a quota to hire a certain number of female mainline pilots. It's a goal to have a certain percentage of female/minority candidates into their Aviate pipeline program by breaking down barriers to entry and partnering with non-traditional sources for recruiting.
Down the line this will eventually expand and improve the hiring pool for pilots at major airlines, where pilots will continue to be hired based on skills and qualifications.
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