Packed & Oversold
#21
I once had an interesting conversation with a recruiter for the CIA… He told me that 95% of all men can be compromised by at least 1 of the 3 Bs: booze, babes or bank accounts. As pilots, we are probably overly susceptible to all three :-)
you can certainly love Pictures of women who are paid to pretend like they are enjoying your favorite hobby… But you can separate that from a dude who, although intelligent and funny, has so much anger for management, that he would absolutely cut off his nose to spite his face.
The real question is if in 2004 oldmako (and others) could keep his seat AND his seniority in it for 10-20% less pay/days at work.... it’s obviously not IF, but WHAT would he give to have had that opportunity. As it stands now, you have guys like him pretending like this LOA is a bad deal. It is so disingenuous and motivated by a variety of things other than pragmatism and the health of our pilot group and the airline as a whole (which is obviously beneficial to us... again).
you can certainly love Pictures of women who are paid to pretend like they are enjoying your favorite hobby… But you can separate that from a dude who, although intelligent and funny, has so much anger for management, that he would absolutely cut off his nose to spite his face.
The real question is if in 2004 oldmako (and others) could keep his seat AND his seniority in it for 10-20% less pay/days at work.... it’s obviously not IF, but WHAT would he give to have had that opportunity. As it stands now, you have guys like him pretending like this LOA is a bad deal. It is so disingenuous and motivated by a variety of things other than pragmatism and the health of our pilot group and the airline as a whole (which is obviously beneficial to us... again).
#23
#25
Please excuse my skepticism. It's not my intention to micturate on your barbeque. I got hired in the late ESOP days. Unicorns, rainbows, all that, and was convinced that UA was going to be different. Nothing but a big plate of bonhomie! Most of the old guys were non-plussed and told me why. They were ultimately proven right.
Prior to UA, I was the lucky recipient of wonderful treatment by several other aviation enterprises. Only ONE of which never went Chap 11. Several simply went right out of business on payday leaving the employees holding the bag as creditors.
It's in my DNA. I hope for your sake that it won't be shoved into yours in the future.
Prior to UA, I was the lucky recipient of wonderful treatment by several other aviation enterprises. Only ONE of which never went Chap 11. Several simply went right out of business on payday leaving the employees holding the bag as creditors.
It's in my DNA. I hope for your sake that it won't be shoved into yours in the future.
#26
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Please excuse my skepticism. It's not my intention to micturate on your barbeque. I got hired in the late ESOP days. Unicorns, rainbows, all that, and was convinced that UA was going to be different. Nothing but a big plate of bonhomie! Most of the old guys were non-plussed and told me why. They were ultimately proven right.
Prior to UA, I was the lucky recipient of wonderful treatment by several other aviation enterprises. Only ONE of which never went Chap 11. Several simply went right out of business on payday leaving the employees holding the bag as creditors.
It's in my DNA. I hope for your sake that it won't be shoved into yours in the future.
Prior to UA, I was the lucky recipient of wonderful treatment by several other aviation enterprises. Only ONE of which never went Chap 11. Several simply went right out of business on payday leaving the employees holding the bag as creditors.
It's in my DNA. I hope for your sake that it won't be shoved into yours in the future.
#29
I've been bumped off of 3 flights in the last 2 weeks, including the jumpseat and had to resort to a jumpseat two times on the flights I did make it on. Looking today, loads are showing -6, -3, -11, -3..... 175's, and CRJs.... that used to be served by 737s and A320s.
For the love of god.
For the love of god.
#30
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Joined APC: Oct 2020
Posts: 345
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