United getting in to urban mobility?!?
#52
I'll add to the skepticism pile-on...
We already have Urban Air Mobility: they're called helicopters, and they have flight limitations that I do not see these UAMs making great strides over anytime soon. The industry/investor hype is so reminiscent of the driverless car phenom that was seemingly just around the corner a few years ago. That one sure has gone quiet, hasn't it? (I'm pretty sure Elon said my Tesla would be out there by now making money for me all by itself between my drives)
Not saying UAMs won't happen. Like most of these new ideas, technical feasibility and commercial viability are two vastly different hurdles. For now it will plod along, powered by pixie dust, wishful thinking, and lots of your tax dollars.
We already have Urban Air Mobility: they're called helicopters, and they have flight limitations that I do not see these UAMs making great strides over anytime soon. The industry/investor hype is so reminiscent of the driverless car phenom that was seemingly just around the corner a few years ago. That one sure has gone quiet, hasn't it? (I'm pretty sure Elon said my Tesla would be out there by now making money for me all by itself between my drives)
Not saying UAMs won't happen. Like most of these new ideas, technical feasibility and commercial viability are two vastly different hurdles. For now it will plod along, powered by pixie dust, wishful thinking, and lots of your tax dollars.
Their proposed advantages, compared to helos, are cheaper and quieter ops... that will make them suitable for the mass market so volume can achieve large economy-of-scale. Key to that is battery/electric power vice expensive turbines, and also using asymmetric thrust from multiple fans for control, vice complex/expensive rotor heads.
Also the whole thing might ultimately be greener than ground vehicles in high traffic metro areas... for green-ness, may end up seeing blown-wing STOL designs over fan-copters since a wing is way more efficient than powered lift.
Obvious risks are noise, safety perceptions/acceptance (both for pax and those on the ground), regulatory issues, and interaction with existing aircraft/airspace. Also while the EU will require the same 10^(-9) safety standard as 121 ops, the US industry is pushing to be allowed to use a lower standard (maybe 10^(-7) ?). That could bite them in the butt, because any accidents with these things will be news since they're new and interesting.
They ultimately hope to make them un-piloted which is likely achievable for short hops in pre-defined, segregated corridors since they don't have to dodge WX (just no-go if any WX in the area) and can land almost anywhere within seconds in the case of emergency. But there's economic risk with the pilot... their model is obviously to use a pilot initially (even at a loss) to build the market, and then transition to un-piloted. But if they can't get rid of him for technical or political reasons the math might not work out.
I think it will happen this century... but maybe not early in the century.
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And the passengers would need a lot of persuading before they would ever get on a pilotless aircraft. That will have to start with freight.
Problem is always going to be battery weight. Electric power is very reliable and with several rotors instead of one big one they can be small diameter and rigid designs which are much simpler. Counter rotating with no need for failure prone and fragile tail rotors, and without the dissymmetry of lift and retreating blade stall concerns the craft should be tough and simple.
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