Originally Posted by oldmako

I'm not stuck anywhere, particularly not in 2002. I love not being a UA pilot anymore. I had a hell of a lot of fun and got to go to some great spots. But got tired of the BS required to be a UA pilot these days (especially since the company piles on more with each passing year), and the commute. And when Covid showed up? F.I. I had saved enough to leave.

What I particularly grew weary of was one apologetic MEC after another explaining why we had to cave on this and why we had to cave on that. Aside from Dubinski, it was more or less a constant refrain for my entire career. We learned next to nothing during bankruptcy and the UNION gets pilots to yank pages (and money) out of their contract. Make it up later my a$$. That's what gets my goat. We have NEW HIRES who enjoyed some better work rules at their Regional jobs than UNITED pilots enjoy.

There are a lot of opinions about what being a UA pilot is like. Yours is yours. Mine is mine.

Originally Posted by oldmako

I'm not stuck anywhere, particularly not in 2002. I love not being a UA pilot anymore. I had a hell of a lot of fun and got to go to some great spots. But got tired of the BS required to be a UA pilot these days (especially since the company piles on more with each passing year), and the commute. And when Covid showed up? F.I. I had saved enough to leave.

What I particularly grew weary of was one apologetic MEC after another explaining why we had to cave on this and why we had to cave on that.

Originally Posted by fanaticalflyer

I'm sorry you are still stuck in 2002 and Paul Whiteford's missteps. The current ALPA regime is what i'm more concerned with and their track record over the past 6 years deserves merit. You might have doubted them from the beginning but each year they have proven themselves into a position where they don't have to gain YOUR credibility. They deserve it. You want to be stuck with the Pre-Insler ALPA days. Well the bottom 1/3 of the list has been seeing nothing but great things as they've come aboard. The way I look at it, is that you are part of the old guard. Yeah, that old guard, that screwed over their own pilots, caved into management, and were weak. And now we are suppose to listen to the likes of you, that was part of that whole period, and have you tell us how the current ALPA is not good enough?!!! Are you kidding me?

Again, pay raises without the so-called sacrifices. That was your time from several contracts before.
Delta-snap up pay taking us to the highest rates. Oh yeah, you were against that LOA.
The most number of grievances settled by current ALPA MEC. I'm sure you have some sort of reason on how that wasn't a success.
Saving thousands of pilot jobs and getting our MPG restored thru end of March and now with a strong possibility of no furloughs this year with June furloughs off the table even with no new Cares Act. What an awful deal we signed?!!!
Everyone starting to go back to their previous positions.
Pilot group working with management to actually NOT shrink to profitability that happened several times in your career, but we actually do something positive for positioned growth during turmoil yet that is completely bad to you. Utterly embarrassing for you to have a bitter stance like this. Real simple - grow up!!

Originally Posted by oldmako

Take a look at what's going on with pay for Max Sim training.

Originally Posted by ReadyRsv

I PDRd that after the smartest man in the world posted on the GK forum that we were getting vacation days. He must have had too many pints of bitter when posting. We are being paid normal training pay for MAX sims. The LOA actually saved a lot of buts because it got pay for post PBS training, which the max very well could have been. That used to be free. Another giveback? Lol. Enjoy your paid early retirement, everyone gets an opinion but I doubt this TA was concessionary. Ask the 2000 furloughed AA guys how they feel right now.

Originally Posted by TodKindrsChikun

So line holders in IAH and DEN are being paid on the 16th of next month vs training credit under 9-C-2-d-(1)?

Post PBS training used to be free?

Originally Posted by ReadyRsv

I can't verify that because I don't have everyone's schedule to look at and I am not on the 737 in those bases. That is what the PDR confirmed.

Post PBS training was free before. So the TA actually saved everyone's bacon on that because the company COULD have paid everyone 0. When you read (2) you will see that (1) only affirms the ELIGIBILITY of the pilot to receive those credit days, just like a line pilot would for other training. 9-C-2-d-(1) A Lineholder with a training assignment covered under Sections 9-B-2 or 9-B-3 is eligible to receive training credit days as described in this Section 9-C-2-d.
9-C-2-d-(2) If a Lineholder loses days off, as measured at the time the training assignment was entered on his schedule (but after a schedule repair is made, if any, in accordance

You seem to have a poor understanding of your contract, file a PDR and they will explain it to you.

Originally Posted by TodKindrsChikun

“Poor understanding” of a contract says the guy who had to PDR to get an answer to the very same question. I used to know the contract fairly well. Now only when needed if it directly applies to the moment. Why should I waste effort to memorize a contract when now it’s a just bargaining chip at whim of an MEC who see’s it from the company’s point of view?

Regarding going to training for free before or after schedule production I’m waving the BS flag on that one. 3-E-2 for starters. 9-J comes in handy as well.