United wants to make covid vax mandatory
02-04-2021, 12:22 PM
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The Company requires that EVERY pilot here at United gets an FAA medical every six months. Without having a current medical with First Class privileges you will have trips removed without pay. The same thing will happen with the vaccine. If you don’t have the vaccine, the Company could just remove you from flying status without pay. It’s really that simple!!! I haven’t read anything in our contract that would prevent them from doing that. They can make it very academic.
02-04-2021, 12:26 PM
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02-04-2021, 02:26 PM
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Point being the OP made the argument that for the same reason you need a medical, you need a vaccine. Not a valid argument... you don't actually even need to go down that rabbit hole because it's already been determined than an employer CAN require certain things for employment. Never mind the fact that it's an almost certainty that countries are going to require it for entry. If UAL makes agreements with these countries that all entering employees will be vaccinated in order to operate in those countries, then this whole conversation is a moot point.
02-04-2021, 02:47 PM
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I don’t think it will be mandatory for employment... but I do see it being mandatory to fly certain city pairs; if not properly vaccinated they’ll simply remove you from schedule without pay (WOP).
02-04-2021, 06:53 PM
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02-04-2021, 08:31 PM
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I’m curious, what other vaccines are required for 121 operations? Yellow fever? Diphtheria? Mumps? Measles? Malaria? Rubella? typhoid? Polio? Flu? So why is Covid so special? Honestly?
02-04-2021, 09:35 PM
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Nope. Not confused. If you wanted to reference my liberties and freedoms in the context of my job or context of being a US citizen, you could have specified.
The alcohol analogy falls flat because my ability to competently do my job would be impaired through consumption. The vaccine in no way affects my ability to complete my tasks as a pilot. You could make some hypotheticals where that could be the case, but they do not exist today.
The constitution advocates for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. A company cannot infringe on personal sovereignty because it is good for business. And that is exactly what is happening as soon as the company states they have dominion over what enters someone’s body.
I have known pilots that had restraining orders against them. They couldn’t enter Canada. Did they get fired? No. The company just routed them away from Canada. If you don’t want the malaria shot, guess what? No Africa for you. It’s not that complicated.
In the same way government protects eight year olds from sweat shops, it protects the basic rights of private citizens to individual liberty if it doesn’t impact the ability to safely complete their job.
The alcohol analogy falls flat because my ability to competently do my job would be impaired through consumption. The vaccine in no way affects my ability to complete my tasks as a pilot. You could make some hypotheticals where that could be the case, but they do not exist today.
The constitution advocates for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. A company cannot infringe on personal sovereignty because it is good for business. And that is exactly what is happening as soon as the company states they have dominion over what enters someone’s body.
I have known pilots that had restraining orders against them. They couldn’t enter Canada. Did they get fired? No. The company just routed them away from Canada. If you don’t want the malaria shot, guess what? No Africa for you. It’s not that complicated.
In the same way government protects eight year olds from sweat shops, it protects the basic rights of private citizens to individual liberty if it doesn’t impact the ability to safely complete their job.
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02-04-2021, 09:53 PM
#158
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The Company requires that EVERY pilot here at United gets an FAA medical every six months. Without having a current medical with First Class privileges you will have trips removed without pay. The same thing will happen with the vaccine. If you don’t have the vaccine, the Company could just remove you from flying status without pay. It’s really that simple!!! I haven’t read anything in our contract that would prevent them from doing that. They can make it very academic.
Also, are you saying that a sub 40-year-old pilot needs a medical every 6 months? I find that claim rather dubious as well.
02-06-2021, 05:49 PM
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Continental used to be the same way until a ramp check happened in CDG. ICAO says every six months and the scramble was on to get it changed. I’m assuming since Alaska doesn’t fly internationally it’s not a problem but just a pure guess.
02-06-2021, 08:11 PM
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