United wants to make covid vax mandatory
02-01-2021, 02:05 PM
#141
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I will gladly be the first to sue ALPA and my employer when I refuse the vaccine. My doctor has already advised me not to get the vaccine, seeing as how A. I already had the mild cold called COVID and B. My condition doesn't allow my immune system a normal response to vaccines.
But better bid domestic, other countries may not honor US niceties like optional vaccines.
02-01-2021, 02:28 PM
#142
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P.S Have any of us thought that coming together and sending atleast 5,000 letters/emails (50% of the pilot group) to Kirby showing your displeasure and be respectful, but firm how you feel this decision should be scrapped? Hey if Reddit can get groups together to crash hedge funds on Wall st, dont think 50% or more of the pilot group cant come together and write some letters to Kirby. That will be more powerful than you think... We the people have the power always and it is showing all around the world. Time to StopBeingWhimps!!!
You know we have ALPA Aeromedical? I haven’t read anything by them saying we shouldn’t get it. Nothing from Oklahoma City advising against it either.
Good luck with your “StopBeingWhimps” campaign. TIC.
02-03-2021, 11:16 AM
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I don’t think Kirby has to make anything mandatory. If any part of your trip touches a country where you need a vaccine, then whole trip is dropped with no pay. Everyone will be lining up for the shot at that point unless you can bid away from those countries. Or maybe narrow body will be senior to wide body soon.
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02-03-2021, 11:53 AM
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02-03-2021, 03:59 PM
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The island of Lihue? They have different rules than the other islands--more restrictive. It's going to be a sticky wicket. As stated before, the law is already established. Companies can require the vaccine. You do have the right to determine what goes into your body, if it becomes a requirement, your choice has become take the vaccine, or choose a different line of work. No one is forcing you to work for an airline. Those are your constitutional choices.
Now, the next obstacle for Kirby to overcome will be the resistance of the unions. He can talk all he wants about requiring it, but if he doesn't have the cooperation of ALPA or the other unions, it's a non-starter.
02-03-2021, 11:59 PM
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It may be worse than you realize. Other countries? How about each state? Each state's rules are different. There is a high probability that a state will eventually require a vaccine to enter. Hawaii is the example right now. Not just each state, but regions in a state.
The island of Kauai? They have different rules than the other islands--more restrictive. It's going to be a sticky wicket. As stated before, the law is already established. Companies can require the vaccine. You do have the right to determine what goes into your body, if it becomes a requirement, your choice has become take the vaccine, or choose a different line of work. No one is forcing you to work for an airline. Those are your constitutional choices.
Now, the next obstacle for Kirby to overcome will be the resistance of the unions. He can talk all he wants about requiring it, but if he doesn't have the cooperation of ALPA or the other unions, it's a non-starter.
The island of Kauai? They have different rules than the other islands--more restrictive. It's going to be a sticky wicket. As stated before, the law is already established. Companies can require the vaccine. You do have the right to determine what goes into your body, if it becomes a requirement, your choice has become take the vaccine, or choose a different line of work. No one is forcing you to work for an airline. Those are your constitutional choices.
Now, the next obstacle for Kirby to overcome will be the resistance of the unions. He can talk all he wants about requiring it, but if he doesn't have the cooperation of ALPA or the other unions, it's a non-starter.
02-04-2021, 11:57 AM
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02-04-2021, 12:20 PM
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The Company requires that EVERY pilot here at United gets an FAA medical every six months. Without having a current medical with First Class privileges you will have trips removed without pay. The same thing will happen with the vaccine. If you don’t have the vaccine, the Company could just remove you from flying status without pay. It’s really that simple!!! I haven’t read anything in our contract that would prevent them from doing that. They can make it very academic.
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