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11-19-2020, 07:13 AM
#81
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: 787
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”we have a problem?” If a guy isn’t proficient with FMA displays on a GLS?? Classic. After I finished chuckling at the sight of you being so serious about something that 99% of us never see on the line, you’d have 2 choices. Teach it, or we get you replaced with someone who has more of a realistic line oriented view of training. If it’s not a memory item, you don’t get to look down your nose at line pilots who don’t memorize the book. That mentality may work with a scared new hire, but those of us who’ve been here long enough to know what matters won’t tolerate BS. Anyway, this thread is quickly devolving into something it shouldn’t , so I’ll bow out now.
When you step into a 787 I will teach you what a GLS is since most haven’t flown an airplane that can do them. But when you come back for CQ I expect you to know it, or do you want me to teach you what an ILS is too? Or is that Varsity knowledge?
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11-19-2020, 07:38 AM
#82
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”we have a problem?” If a guy isn’t proficient with FMA displays on a GLS?? Classic. After I finished chuckling at the sight of you being so serious about something that 99% of us never see on the line, you’d have 2 choices. Teach it, or we get you replaced with someone who has more of a realistic line oriented view of training. If it’s not a memory item, you don’t get to look down your nose at line pilots who don’t memorize the book. That mentality may work with a scared new hire, but those of us who’ve been here long enough to know what matters won’t tolerate BS. Anyway, this thread is quickly devolving into something it shouldn’t , so I’ll bow out now.
If it's in the FM you're expected to know it. Maybe not verbatim, but at least the broad strokes. "GLS in use? Lets review that real quick." You're the guy that would look right and say "what the hell is that and how do we do it?" Being the Captain means being in command of and having a full understanding of your vessel. Diverting because you're lazy isn't the right answer. The Captain whose book knowledge exceeds mine are the ones I respect and emulate. Guys with attitudes like yours are the ones I know I have to baby sit. I'd love, LOVE to hear that conversation after you have your FO or an IP replaced because of their "unrealistic line oriented" view.
11-19-2020, 08:30 AM
#83
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So... if you find yourself going into EWR one night down to mins and the GLS is your only option because (make up and reason), you're going to do what?
If it's in the FM you're expected to know it. Maybe not verbatim, but at least the broad strokes. "GLS in use? Lets review that real quick." You're the guy that would look right and say "what the hell is that and how do we do it?" Being the Captain means being in command of and having a full understanding of your vessel. Diverting because you're lazy isn't the right answer. The Captain whose book knowledge exceeds mine are the ones I respect and emulate. Guys with attitudes like yours are the ones I know I have to baby sit. I'd love, LOVE to hear that conversation after you have your FO or an IP replaced because of their "unrealistic line oriented" view.
If it's in the FM you're expected to know it. Maybe not verbatim, but at least the broad strokes. "GLS in use? Lets review that real quick." You're the guy that would look right and say "what the hell is that and how do we do it?" Being the Captain means being in command of and having a full understanding of your vessel. Diverting because you're lazy isn't the right answer. The Captain whose book knowledge exceeds mine are the ones I respect and emulate. Guys with attitudes like yours are the ones I know I have to baby sit. I'd love, LOVE to hear that conversation after you have your FO or an IP replaced because of their "unrealistic line oriented" view.
11-19-2020, 08:34 AM
#84
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 1,111
So... if you find yourself going into EWR one night down to mins and the GLS is your only option because (make up and reason), you're going to do what?
If it's in the FM you're expected to know it. Maybe not verbatim, but at least the broad strokes. "GLS in use? Lets review that real quick." You're the guy that would look right and say "what the hell is that and how do we do it?" Being the Captain means being in command of and having a full understanding of your vessel. Diverting because you're lazy isn't the right answer. The Captain whose book knowledge exceeds mine are the ones I respect and emulate. Guys with attitudes like yours are the ones I know I have to baby sit. I'd love, LOVE to hear that conversation after you have your FO or an IP replaced because of their "unrealistic line oriented" view.
If it's in the FM you're expected to know it. Maybe not verbatim, but at least the broad strokes. "GLS in use? Lets review that real quick." You're the guy that would look right and say "what the hell is that and how do we do it?" Being the Captain means being in command of and having a full understanding of your vessel. Diverting because you're lazy isn't the right answer. The Captain whose book knowledge exceeds mine are the ones I respect and emulate. Guys with attitudes like yours are the ones I know I have to baby sit. I'd love, LOVE to hear that conversation after you have your FO or an IP replaced because of their "unrealistic line oriented" view.
11-19-2020, 08:51 AM
#86
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
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Posts: 5,725
Wrong. We’d brief it up using the brown book. You seem to miss the point BIG TIME. The issues arose from the comment “we’d have a problem”. No we wouldn’t, simply because I didn’t memorize a procedure that is rarely flown on the line. I’d look it up, just like in the real world. And if that didn’t satisfy the PI, well then we’d either have to review it and move on, or we find someone who will. Simple! If it was time sensitive, it WOULD be a memory item. Y’all are creating straw man arguments that have no merit. People sometimes forget that TK is there for us, not the other way around.
11-19-2020, 08:55 AM
#87
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11-19-2020, 10:58 AM
#88
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there is never anything wrong with looking something up as long as it doesn’t take you 5 minutes to do it.
tk is there for you. But there is also an expectation that you know the basics. I only have 4 hrs to get you ready for a validation on CQ. There’s atleast 2 hours of material I must cover maybe more, plus questions. TK is here for you to a point but TK will also not hesitate to sign you up for more training if you need it.
11-19-2020, 11:24 AM
#89
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: B737 CAPT IAH
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i never said looking it up was a problem. Go back and read what I originally wrote.
there is never anything wrong with looking something up as long as it doesn’t take you 5 minutes to do it.
tk is there for you. But there is also an expectation that you know the basics. I only have 4 hrs to get you ready for a validation on CQ. There’s atleast 2 hours of material I must cover maybe more, plus questions. TK is here for you to a point but TK will also not hesitate to sign you up for more training if you need it.
there is never anything wrong with looking something up as long as it doesn’t take you 5 minutes to do it.
tk is there for you. But there is also an expectation that you know the basics. I only have 4 hrs to get you ready for a validation on CQ. There’s atleast 2 hours of material I must cover maybe more, plus questions. TK is here for you to a point but TK will also not hesitate to sign you up for more training if you need it.
11-19-2020, 11:27 AM
#90
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 1,111
i never said looking it up was a problem. Go back and read what I originally wrote.
there is never anything wrong with looking something up as long as it doesn’t take you 5 minutes to do it.
tk is there for you. But there is also an expectation that you know the basics. I only have 4 hrs to get you ready for a validation on CQ. There’s atleast 2 hours of material I must cover maybe more, plus questions. TK is here for you to a point but TK will also not hesitate to sign you up for more training if you need it.
there is never anything wrong with looking something up as long as it doesn’t take you 5 minutes to do it.
tk is there for you. But there is also an expectation that you know the basics. I only have 4 hrs to get you ready for a validation on CQ. There’s atleast 2 hours of material I must cover maybe more, plus questions. TK is here for you to a point but TK will also not hesitate to sign you up for more training if you need it.
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