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11-18-2020, 07:48 PM
#71
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 726
Great response; I don’t know if you’ve sent in training critiques on these issues, but I know those are the best way to gain traction.
Some issues are clearly money driven, others have more to do with the syllabus itself or less often, just individuals. 787 by virtue of newest fleet, upheaval from Houston, and senior crews in training is in my estimation probably lagging the other fleets in customer experience. Hopefully that improves as average PI experience level increases.
Systems knowledge is never likely to come back up to what you or I feel should be baseline. Footprints are not increasing, so there is often precious little time to cover required AQP items let alone delve more in depth. That said, TK training is YOURS. No matter how much I feel like going home at 0100, i’ll gladly give you one more V1 cut. Or a V2 cut halfway through the LAS departure. Or dual engine failure off 04L. Take advantage of your access to the building. Not like anything else to do in the local area at the moment. But don’t let substandard training become the norm, critique good and bad on your flight home!
Some issues are clearly money driven, others have more to do with the syllabus itself or less often, just individuals. 787 by virtue of newest fleet, upheaval from Houston, and senior crews in training is in my estimation probably lagging the other fleets in customer experience. Hopefully that improves as average PI experience level increases.
Systems knowledge is never likely to come back up to what you or I feel should be baseline. Footprints are not increasing, so there is often precious little time to cover required AQP items let alone delve more in depth. That said, TK training is YOURS. No matter how much I feel like going home at 0100, i’ll gladly give you one more V1 cut. Or a V2 cut halfway through the LAS departure. Or dual engine failure off 04L. Take advantage of your access to the building. Not like anything else to do in the local area at the moment. But don’t let substandard training become the norm, critique good and bad on your flight home!
11-18-2020, 07:55 PM
#72
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: 787
Posts: 3,202
Great response; I don’t know if you’ve sent in training critiques on these issues, but I know those are the best way to gain traction.
Some issues are clearly money driven, others have more to do with the syllabus itself or less often, just individuals. 787 by virtue of newest fleet, upheaval from Houston, and senior crews in training is in my estimation probably lagging the other fleets in customer experience. Hopefully that improves as average PI experience level increases.
Systems knowledge is never likely to come back up to what you or I feel should be baseline. Footprints are not increasing, so there is often precious little time to cover required AQP items let alone delve more in depth. That said, TK training is YOURS. No matter how much I feel like going home at 0100, i’ll gladly give you one more V1 cut. Or a V2 cut halfway through the LAS departure. Or dual engine failure off 04L. Take advantage of your access to the building. Not like anything else to do in the local area at the moment. But don’t let substandard training become the norm, critique good and bad on your flight home!
Some issues are clearly money driven, others have more to do with the syllabus itself or less often, just individuals. 787 by virtue of newest fleet, upheaval from Houston, and senior crews in training is in my estimation probably lagging the other fleets in customer experience. Hopefully that improves as average PI experience level increases.
Systems knowledge is never likely to come back up to what you or I feel should be baseline. Footprints are not increasing, so there is often precious little time to cover required AQP items let alone delve more in depth. That said, TK training is YOURS. No matter how much I feel like going home at 0100, i’ll gladly give you one more V1 cut. Or a V2 cut halfway through the LAS departure. Or dual engine failure off 04L. Take advantage of your access to the building. Not like anything else to do in the local area at the moment. But don’t let substandard training become the norm, critique good and bad on your flight home!
excellent post. I want to highlight what you said about it YOUR training. I can’t even count how many times I have finished early and the crew wants to catch the van, go back to the hotel, catch a flight.....I have stayed until 330am helping students who wanted to learn.
11-18-2020, 09:15 PM
#73
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 1,111
there is no such thing as varsity level knowledge. Everything you are expected to know is in the FM. It’s up to you to read it and understand it. Me asking what your FMAs will read for a GLS approach is not varsity knowledge. But when I get the answer I don’t know I never fly them or a crew that strays into non-IL/GLS procedures we have a problem. TK can only do so much for someone who either doesn’t study or is scared to ask questions.
11-18-2020, 11:10 PM
#74
Get me outta here...
Joined APC: Oct 2008
Position: Boeing right seat
Posts: 1,541
Do you find the GLS approaches to be difficult to set up? Confusing?
99% never see? Or 99% actively avoid?
I only flew the Guppy for 30 months... 2015-2018. I went to IAH and EWR a lot (they had GLS approaches), and I always asked for the GLS. On one occasion, I had a scab captain lose his mind when I briefed it and said he would not allow it. On another occasion, I had a former Airbus LCA (now a 737 LCA) also get very unhappy about my request. Granted, my demeanor probably p1issed them off more than anything... but those are two of the more memorable events in my 737 career.
You should probably fly with those two captains.
11-18-2020, 11:14 PM
#75
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 1,107
ADS probes on the ERJ. https://utcaerospacesystems.com/wp-c...ta-Systems.pdf
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11-19-2020, 03:45 AM
#76
777 - ret
Joined APC: Apr 2020
Position: Waco CG-4 center seat
Posts: 863
My experience with TK training is from both an instructor and student. I find that those who complain about training at UAL are generally unprepared, weak, lazy or just an odd duck. This is my third major airline and the training here is far and away the best of the three. If you put in the slightest bit of effort every transition and or CQ event is a breeze and you’ll be fully prepared for the line. If you’re one of those contrary morons that wants to be spoon fed, you’re going to have issues.
11-19-2020, 06:48 AM
#78
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2009
Posts: 1,860
Throw a spear and bow out? Bad form.
Do you find the GLS approaches to be difficult to set up? Confusing?
99% never see? Or 99% actively avoid?
I only flew the Guppy for 30 months... 2015-2018. I went to IAH and EWR a lot (they had GLS approaches), and I always asked for the GLS. On one occasion, I had a scab captain lose his mind when I briefed it and said he would not allow it. On another occasion, I had a former Airbus LCA (now a 737 LCA) also get very unhappy about my request. Granted, my demeanor probably p1issed them off more than anything... but those are two of the more memorable events in my 737 career.
You should probably fly with those two captains.
Do you find the GLS approaches to be difficult to set up? Confusing?
99% never see? Or 99% actively avoid?
I only flew the Guppy for 30 months... 2015-2018. I went to IAH and EWR a lot (they had GLS approaches), and I always asked for the GLS. On one occasion, I had a scab captain lose his mind when I briefed it and said he would not allow it. On another occasion, I had a former Airbus LCA (now a 737 LCA) also get very unhappy about my request. Granted, my demeanor probably p1issed them off more than anything... but those are two of the more memorable events in my 737 career.
You should probably fly with those two captains.
11-19-2020, 07:08 AM
#79
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: 787
Posts: 3,202
Honest question, is a GLS approach specific to the 737? I’ve never flown the 737 and have never done a GLS approach, I’ve heard people ask for it but it doesn’t even come up in my Jepps nor is it referenced in the 757/767 manual. I can see the approaches in the Jeppesen chart viewer in CCS though.
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