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11-18-2020, 05:28 PM
#61
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My experience with TK training is from both an instructor and student. I find that those who complain about training at UAL are generally unprepared, weak, lazy or just an odd duck. This is my third major airline and the training here is far and away the best of the three. If you put in the slightest bit of effort every transition and or CQ event is a breeze and you’ll be fully prepared for the line. If you’re one of those contrary morons that wants to be spoon fed, you’re going to have issues.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This absolutely!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
11-18-2020, 05:31 PM
#62
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My experience with TK training is from both an instructor and student. I find that those who complain about training at UAL are generally unprepared, weak, lazy or just an odd duck. This is my third major airline and the training here is far and away the best of the three. If you put in the slightest bit of effort every transition and or CQ event is a breeze and you’ll be fully prepared for the line. If you’re one of those contrary morons that wants to be spoon fed, you’re going to have issues.
11-18-2020, 05:43 PM
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My experience with TK training is from both an instructor and student. I find that those who complain about training at UAL are generally unprepared, weak, lazy or just an odd duck. This is my third major airline and the training here is far and away the best of the three. If you put in the slightest bit of effort every transition and or CQ event is a breeze and you’ll be fully prepared for the line. If you’re one of those contrary morons that wants to be spoon fed, you’re going to have issues.
11-18-2020, 05:59 PM
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The real fun is when you show up fully prepared and find out that you’re going to be sitting next to the contrary moron. I don’t get those guys. I’m probably the laziest pilot at United, or at least I try, but I’ve found that just doing the job exactly as I’ve been trained every day takes far less effort than making my own procedures up or having to cram before every training event to undo all of my bad habits.
^^^^^this......holy crap just do what you are trained to do instead of making it all up.
“ theres the way TK does it then the way we do it on the line”
11-18-2020, 06:24 PM
#65
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My experience with TK training is from both an instructor and student. I find that those who complain about training at UAL are generally unprepared, weak, lazy or just an odd duck. This is my third major airline and the training here is far and away the best of the three. If you put in the slightest bit of effort every transition and or CQ event is a breeze and you’ll be fully prepared for the line. If you’re one of those contrary morons that wants to be spoon fed, you’re going to have issues.
11-18-2020, 07:05 PM
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My experience with TK training is from both an instructor and student. I find that those who complain about training at UAL are generally unprepared, weak, lazy or just an odd duck. This is my third major airline and the training here is far and away the best of the three. If you put in the slightest bit of effort every transition and or CQ event is a breeze and you’ll be fully prepared for the line. If you’re one of those contrary morons that wants to be spoon fed, you’re going to have issues.
11-18-2020, 07:21 PM
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way oversimplified, imo hoss. I’ve been here 25+ years. Never had to repeat a single event. Ever. Training folder has dust in it. Your description gives tk cover to not look at it’s faults. I get annoyed with what I call “varsity level knowledge expectations” when we get grade school training on systems and FOM. It’s better than it used to be right after the merger, but there is still lots of room for improvement. Ymmv
11-18-2020, 07:22 PM
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I thought they spend too much sim time on things like class 2, if we are coming off the 777 most of that should be down and maybe just a review to see where we are at. Spend more time on irregulars and emergencies, again JMO.
As far as lca work, I have had many people tell me many are pushing almost all auto pilot, even when you are brand new on ioe.
Many don't like a different instructor everyday with technique only all the time, or we aren't sure how they do that on the line. The 777 training was different instructor all the time also. I know tk seems to be headed this way.
I am not knocking the instructors just how the course is set up.That is what the instructors have to deal with. Does anyone think its good how we do the systems exam? Never had any problem with getting through training here at UAL I just think we would be better off knowing more not less about the airplanes we fly. It would give our customers a better product and yes I know maybe cost a little more but could save in the long run.
Just some of what I hear and what I've seen since you asked. Fire away!!
By the way I also feel it is a world class facility,with unlimited potential and many great people working throughout the facility. When you walk non aviation people through on a tour they can't believe everything we have at TK. Just would like to see us do better.
11-18-2020, 07:35 PM
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Things I've seen or heard from other pilots that recently went through 787. It was a transition 777 to 787. Many of the instructors have never been on the 777 so to teach the differences between the two makes no sense. Great teachers but maybe not the best way to set it up for differences. The FBS, wasting time on things like flying departures arrivals and rnp approaches, things we do everyday as opposed to spending some time on the differences between the fleets. It would be a great device to teach the differences in.The part in the classroom where you are supposed to be going over the systems, being nothing more than a slide show with somebody trying to teach you the answers to the test in a few days. Part of it is old school I know but I miss the ground school where the instructor knew the systems hands down and you had 5 -8 students that would ask questions along the way, learned a lot from others questions. Much of the questions we asked this time was answered with you don't have to know that. It used to be I don't know but will find out for you.
I thought they spend too much sim time on things like class 2, if we are coming off the 777 most of that should be down and maybe just a review to see where we are at. Spend more time on irregulars and emergencies, again JMO.
As far as lca work, I have had many people tell me many are pushing almost all auto pilot, even when you are brand new on ioe.
Many don't like a different instructor everyday with technique only all the time, or we aren't sure how they do that on the line. The 777 training was different instructor all the time also. I know tk seems to be headed this way.
I am not knocking the instructors just how the course is set up.That is what the instructors have to deal with. Does anyone think its good how we do the systems exam? Never had any problem with getting through training here at UAL I just think we would be better off knowing more not less about the airplanes we fly. It would give our customers a better product and yes I know maybe cost a little more but could save in the long run.
Just some of what I hear and what I've seen since you asked. Fire away!!
By the way I also feel it is a world class facility,with unlimited potential and many great people working throughout the facility. When you walk non aviation people through on a tour they can't believe everything we have at TK. Just would like to see us do better.
I thought they spend too much sim time on things like class 2, if we are coming off the 777 most of that should be down and maybe just a review to see where we are at. Spend more time on irregulars and emergencies, again JMO.
As far as lca work, I have had many people tell me many are pushing almost all auto pilot, even when you are brand new on ioe.
Many don't like a different instructor everyday with technique only all the time, or we aren't sure how they do that on the line. The 777 training was different instructor all the time also. I know tk seems to be headed this way.
I am not knocking the instructors just how the course is set up.That is what the instructors have to deal with. Does anyone think its good how we do the systems exam? Never had any problem with getting through training here at UAL I just think we would be better off knowing more not less about the airplanes we fly. It would give our customers a better product and yes I know maybe cost a little more but could save in the long run.
Just some of what I hear and what I've seen since you asked. Fire away!!
By the way I also feel it is a world class facility,with unlimited potential and many great people working throughout the facility. When you walk non aviation people through on a tour they can't believe everything we have at TK. Just would like to see us do better.
I agree it’s hard to teach a diff course as I have never been on the 777. It needs to be seen as a new aircraft. The 777 really isn’t a 787. Treat it like you are going from the 737 to the 777 dump the old girlfriend and learn the new one.
no one should ever say you don’t need to know that.....sorry you got that.
I can speak for the vast majority of the 787 instructors, they seek out the answers to the questions they don’t know.
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