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11-19-2020, 06:17 PM
#102
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 1,111
Funny. I guess your “I’m a tk smart guy” mentality extends to the rest of your life as well. I’d explain what it means, but seeing as you love book work so much, I’ll let you do your own homework. This is growing tiresome. I’ve haven’t heard much in the way of logic in several posts. Just schoolyard nonsense. You can have the last word, but your attempts to paint me as something I’m not are simply bogus and BS. The issue started when you got on your high horse and said we’d have “a problem” if you couldn’t recite a procedure that is so rare that many have NEVER done it. That’s it. Period. End of story. All the other insults were just a poor attempt to muddy the water. Like I said, my training record speaks for itself. Bringing up the “I want my family safe on your jet” card? Pathetic. So I can’t quote the book re a non memory item, and suddenly your family isn’t safe. Dude- you don’t have any idea what the hell you're talking about.
11-19-2020, 06:42 PM
#103
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Joined APC: May 2014
Position: 787 right
Posts: 504
Nice legacy wings. You gents are out of touch. The days of stump the dummy are gone. We(line pilots) are the customers at TK. I haven’t had an experience there where I didn’t feel like I was the customer. Yeah, it’s the PI’s job to train you but surprise there are objective performance standards. If you haven’t looked at a manual since the pre iPad days and still think you are standard/average you probably don’t meet those standards. Above all, I expect TK to turn out pilots that I feel will take care of my family sitting in the back. So far, all I hear is old man Guppy 95 Beating his chest that he doesn’t need to study and that TK better take care of him or he’ll remove the PI. He sounds like a terrible pilot. TK will make sure he gets all the retraining he needs so that he goes back to the line a safe pilot, as they should. The ALPA pin that I wear proudly, means to me that United pilots support each other. Doesn’t having a culture of safety ultimately support United pilots? I think we need to raise the bar a bit.
11-19-2020, 06:48 PM
#104
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 1,111
Nice legacy wings. You gents are out of touch. The days of stump the dummy are gone. We(line pilots) are the customers at TK. I haven’t had an experience there where I didn’t feel like I was the customer. Yeah, it’s the PI’s job to train you but surprise there are objective performance standards. If you haven’t looked at a manual since the pre iPad days and still think you are standard/average you probably don’t meet those standards. Above all, I expect TK to turn out pilots that I feel will take care of my family sitting in the back. So far, all I hear is old man Guppy 95 Beating his chest that he doesn’t need to study and that TK better take care of him or he’ll remove the PI. He sounds like a terrible pilot. TK will make sure he gets all the retraining he needs so that he goes back to the line a safe pilot, as they should. The ALPA pin that I wear proudly, means to me that United pilots support each other. Doesn’t having a culture of safety ultimately support United pilots? I think we need to raise the bar a bit.
11-19-2020, 06:48 PM
#105
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 545
i never said looking it up was a problem. Go back and read what I originally wrote.
there is never anything wrong with looking something up as long as it doesn’t take you 5 minutes to do it.
tk is there for you. But there is also an expectation that you know the basics. I only have 4 hrs to get you ready for a validation on CQ. There’s atleast 2 hours of material I must cover maybe more, plus questions. TK is here for you to a point but TK will also not hesitate to sign you up for more training if you need it.
there is never anything wrong with looking something up as long as it doesn’t take you 5 minutes to do it.
tk is there for you. But there is also an expectation that you know the basics. I only have 4 hrs to get you ready for a validation on CQ. There’s atleast 2 hours of material I must cover maybe more, plus questions. TK is here for you to a point but TK will also not hesitate to sign you up for more training if you need it.
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11-19-2020, 06:52 PM
#106
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 545
Iv told plenty of pilots that they need to open a book and study. If your book knowledge is weak I will be the first to tell you, that’s my job. I’m not here to give you a participation trophy I’m here to make sure my family is safe on your plane. If that hurts your feelings then so be it.
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11-19-2020, 06:56 PM
#107
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: 787
Posts: 3,202
yeah that can happen. We can’t just fail someone without them hitting certain gates, that is because of AQP. Iv seen crews that needed to be downed but they didn’t hit that final threshold. The debrief was where I let them know that what I saw was unacceptable and then sent them on their way.
11-19-2020, 07:06 PM
#108
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: 787
Posts: 3,202
. Realized afterward that it was my first night landing in a while, flared too high.
11-19-2020, 09:49 PM
#109
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 859
yeah that can happen. We can’t just fail someone without them hitting certain gates, that is because of AQP. Iv seen crews that needed to be downed but they didn’t hit that final threshold. The debrief was where I let them know that what I saw was unacceptable and then sent them on their way.
11-20-2020, 03:37 AM
#110
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Sleeping in the black swan’s nest.
Posts: 5,725
It depends on the event. AQP generally keeps moving a weak student through the training until they hit a hard stop with a failed validation. After a failed validation they get additional training.
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