mmm123

I'm not on the desired by list but yes I know how that works.As far as reserves that list is there also in case you don't look and most days on certain fleets they do not have coverage and then everything goes premium. Almost every day on some fleets and bases even with the crew desk swinging the flying from base to base. Many times not covered till late in the day with plenty of time to have reserves be assigned or pick up. But hey what do I know.

AxlF16

The more i think about this, the more i like the L-UAL bank system. Cap $$ pay (mid 90's is reasonable) and put the rest in a credit time bank. The bank will be used to drop a trip within the next 3-4 months.

Make it effective during the TA effective dates AND anytime a pilot is on involuntarily furlough.

Noconcessions

The weak negotiate for a promise of less.

horrido27

What the hell is happening to America?!

It wasn't bad enough that a few generations ago we decided to teach kids that there were no winners or loser
It wasn't bad enough that we have decided to tear down statues and erase or try to change history..
It isn't bad enough that we have decided to change Unionism to a jobs program
Now we want to tell people how much they can work or make?

What The Hell is happening here?

If a guy wants to work up to FAR limits AND he can.. AND we don't have anyone on the street.. why the hell would someone else stop him?

It's getting stranger every F'ing day!
Motch

PS) How the hell does this even come up?! How is this separate from this BS TA?
YCMTSU

UALfoLIFE

A jobs program? Is that like the J4J the union secured years ago, yet securing jobs and keeping people on the list is now some how evil?

duvie

Motch, although often outspoken, usually you seem to be willing to understand, rather than react. Let’s wait to see if a LOA is proposed, and what the details are. Our union and pilot group has always (post merger) seemed to support pilots picking up as much as they want.

If we have people on the street, I think the concept of hard caps is an absolute no brainer.

when nobody is on the street, I think you would simply have to ask what the purpose is. I would not favor caps with nobody on the street, but perhaps there is some information we don’t have. Maybe the union realized that the company could throw a bunch of flying into open time after PBS awards and keep the published block down while still growing. Maybe that is totally off base. I personally would vote against any kind of limitations while everybody is on property… I think it is essential to allow pilots close to retirement to increase their pay. I think we should simply wait and see what happens rather than get worked up.

Big5

It came up when It was discovered that the LPA going forward has no lower bound. Can you tell me what UALs plan will be? 0 hour lines? 90 hour lines? Lines built at MPG? Talk about flexibility.

Never really had a problem with picking up and maxing out credit Pre Covid. Now we have a TA that’s decimating the pay of the lower 1/3 and it should still be business as usual for the upper 2/3s? You don’t see an issue with the same group of “desired bys” unable to step away from the buffet while others are starving. Not advocating for a jobs program but at what point is it too much? Hence the Hard cap discussion.

Jay1122

Unionism IS a jobs program. Labor unions are non-governing socialist-oriented organizations. I'm still shocked at how so many outwardly 'conservative' people are willing to ignore this--likely out of monetary convenience. Unions have ALWAYS been aligned with socialist and communist movements--regardless of whether they admit it or not. The unification of labor against the bourgeoisie has ALWAYS been he function of the Unions. How does this escape so many people?

bottoms up

why does everyone think this is a take it or leave it? Tell them to come back with a no furlough guarantee for the duration of the TA. There is time. If the company wants the flexibility they can do this. No furlough guarantee for the duration of the TA.

oldmako

Management gets the union they deserve. Period. There are million reasons that the labor movement was able to gain traction in this country. And a million more why 'conservative' politicians have done their level best to destroy them. If 'conservative' people don't like being members they are welcome to become non-members and pay the shop fee. But they sure do love the paycheck and bennies that the union provides, don't they? Since you're posting here, shall we assume that you are a United pilot and ALPA member?

The company providers of the job. Not the union. The union only negotiates the pay rate and benefits. Management signs every contract, don't they? Without ALPA, this job would likely not be worth having.