Easter Eggs in the TA
09-17-2020, 10:07 AM
#21
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I honestly don’t know if you care to interpret this any other way than the union is selling you out, but this was already happening and completely legal:
I was settling into my middle seat from Chicago to San Fran, thinking about motorcycle parts I could buy with my new found money… The gate agent came on board and gave me a new ticket. I told him I was comfortable where I was, and he replied “well you can sit wherever you want, but the system is going to show you in your new seat“
as someone who has sat reserve for a lot of his UAL time, the middle seat provision has been very kind to my checkbook (lots of pairing repair with DHs). however, something happened about two years ago, and the system got smart enough to identify deadheading pilots and push them out of middle seats whenever it could. Often I would check in for a flight and have a middle seat assigned, but by the time I scanned my boarding pass, I would’ve been pushed to a new (non middle) seat
I was settling into my middle seat from Chicago to San Fran, thinking about motorcycle parts I could buy with my new found money… The gate agent came on board and gave me a new ticket. I told him I was comfortable where I was, and he replied “well you can sit wherever you want, but the system is going to show you in your new seat“
as someone who has sat reserve for a lot of his UAL time, the middle seat provision has been very kind to my checkbook (lots of pairing repair with DHs). however, something happened about two years ago, and the system got smart enough to identify deadheading pilots and push them out of middle seats whenever it could. Often I would check in for a flight and have a middle seat assigned, but by the time I scanned my boarding pass, I would’ve been pushed to a new (non middle) seat
09-17-2020, 10:12 AM
#22
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Termination triggers:
4. Passenger revenue reaches 80% of 2019 level for a single quarter.
5. Passenger revenue reaches 70% of 2019 level for three consecutive quarters.
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“Passenger” is important because it takes away “cargo” revenue (which has been successful) from the equation for terminating the LOA and getting us back to full pay.
4. Passenger revenue reaches 80% of 2019 level for a single quarter.
5. Passenger revenue reaches 70% of 2019 level for three consecutive quarters.
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“Passenger” is important because it takes away “cargo” revenue (which has been successful) from the equation for terminating the LOA and getting us back to full pay.
24 mos of cuts for 9 mos of furlough protection
09-17-2020, 10:23 AM
#23
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How about this nugget they slid in there. A BRAND NEW paragraph as it relates to middle seat pay:
5-C-1-g-(1) Notwithstanding section 5-C-3, a pilot may be re-seated out of an Economy Plus middle seat into an Economy Plus aisle or window seat if such seat is made or becomes available (due to any reason) prior to Departure.
So the gate agent can tap you on the shoulder just prior to door close and give you a misconnect's window seat. I'm not sure if this was allowed before (it's never happened to me like that), but there's a reason the company added this language....and it will likely stay in our contract for a looong time.
5-C-1-g-(1) Notwithstanding section 5-C-3, a pilot may be re-seated out of an Economy Plus middle seat into an Economy Plus aisle or window seat if such seat is made or becomes available (due to any reason) prior to Departure.
So the gate agent can tap you on the shoulder just prior to door close and give you a misconnect's window seat. I'm not sure if this was allowed before (it's never happened to me like that), but there's a reason the company added this language....and it will likely stay in our contract for a looong time.
If there's an over sell situation, you will get downgraded for a pax using miles to upgrade.
What's cheaper for the company, giving you first class status below all revenue opportunities or, Econ + dh?' Econ + dh definitely cost the company money because we are blocking a premium seat and cannot be forced into regular Econ.
09-17-2020, 10:39 AM
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This is a huge point. Airlines will be scrambling for market share. There will a blood bath of fare sales. Who has the cash to endure cheap tickets and grab market share? Southwest. The airlines know revenue recovery is far off on the horizon.
24 mos of cuts for 9 mos of furlough protection
24 mos of cuts for 9 mos of furlough protection
09-17-2020, 11:09 AM
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09-17-2020, 11:15 AM
#28
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This is a huge point. Airlines will be scrambling for market share. There will a blood bath of fare sales. Who has the cash to endure cheap tickets and grab market share? Southwest. The airlines know revenue recovery is far off on the horizon.
24 mos of cuts for 9 mos of furlough protection
24 mos of cuts for 9 mos of furlough protection
09-17-2020, 11:25 AM
#29
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I honestly don’t know if you care to interpret this any other way than the union is selling you out, but this was already happening and completely legal:
I was settling into my middle seat from Chicago to San Fran, thinking about motorcycle parts I could buy with my new found money… The gate agent came on board and gave me a new ticket. I told him I was comfortable where I was, and he replied “well you can sit wherever you want, but the system is going to show you in your new seat“
as someone who has sat reserve for a lot of his UAL time, the middle seat provision has been very kind to my checkbook (lots of pairing repair with DHs). however, something happened about two years ago, and the system got smart enough to identify deadheading pilots and push them out of middle seats whenever it could. Often I would check in for a flight and have a middle seat assigned, but by the time I scanned my boarding pass, I would’ve been pushed to a new (non middle) seat
I was settling into my middle seat from Chicago to San Fran, thinking about motorcycle parts I could buy with my new found money… The gate agent came on board and gave me a new ticket. I told him I was comfortable where I was, and he replied “well you can sit wherever you want, but the system is going to show you in your new seat“
as someone who has sat reserve for a lot of his UAL time, the middle seat provision has been very kind to my checkbook (lots of pairing repair with DHs). however, something happened about two years ago, and the system got smart enough to identify deadheading pilots and push them out of middle seats whenever it could. Often I would check in for a flight and have a middle seat assigned, but by the time I scanned my boarding pass, I would’ve been pushed to a new (non middle) seat
09-17-2020, 11:30 AM
#30
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5-C-1-e In the event of an oversold situation (including an equipment substitution that results in fewer available premium seats), a deadheading Pilot booked in First or Business Class will not be downgraded until after all passengers who received a free upgrade (that is, passengers who used neither dollars nor miles for the upgrade) are downgraded and after all pass riders who received an upgrade are downgraded. Then, downgrades will be made in inverse positive space priority (and in inverse boarding date order among Pilots having the same priority). Revenue passengers (whether using dollars or miles) will not be downgraded before the Pilot. In no case shall a Pilot be downgraded to accommodate a passenger who would receive a free
Wrong. The pilot is downgraded before a pax using miles or dollars. Only ones who are downgraded before a pilot are free upgrades and non revs.
Wrong. The pilot is downgraded before a pax using miles or dollars. Only ones who are downgraded before a pilot are free upgrades and non revs.
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