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Old 08-03-2020, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyPurdue
Scenario 5 - you would be the first 'Invol' furlough - you have a conditional bid in, and are awarded your top choice that is still available. The new first 'invol' furlough is now one number junior to you, rinse and repeat if they have a conditional bid in.

My mentor said the company will award as many Option A and B as possible, just a minimum of 100.
which is why it is very important for everyone to put a bid in
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Old 08-03-2020, 10:54 AM
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which is why it is very important for everyone to put a bid in

This is exactly how our competitors WN, AS, AA, DL, JB are able to not furlough. Seriously everyone read the MEC info, an unconditional 1/2 COLA bid by the thousands who are able, WILL save most furloughs on property! The company is willing to award thousands of these with the exception of 1 category that I am aware of (787). So pony on up, keep the contract, and wear your frign mask. We are in this poo sandwich together and we can fix it together.

thank you!
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Old 08-03-2020, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Lenticularis
This is exactly how our competitors WN, AS, AA, DL, JB are able to not furlough. Seriously everyone read the MEC info, an unconditional 1/2 COLA bid by the thousands who are able, WILL save most furloughs on property! The company is willing to award thousands of these with the exception of 1 category that I am aware of (787). So pony on up, keep the contract, and wear your frign mask. We are in this poo sandwich together and we can fix it together.

thank you!
WRONG!

We should tell the company and the union they can shove both of these substandard pieces of crap.

The reason the other airlines are better at mitigating furloughs is their programs are more inclusive and pay better.

United's suck!

The numbers (or lack there of) of takers prove it.
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Old 08-03-2020, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Lenticularis
This is exactly how our competitors WN, AS, AA, DL, JB are able to not furlough. Seriously everyone read the MEC info, an unconditional 1/2 COLA bid by the thousands who are able, WILL save most furloughs on property! The company is willing to award thousands of these with the exception of 1 category that I am aware of (787). So pony on up, keep the contract, and wear your frign mask. We are in this poo sandwich together and we can fix it together.

thank you!
I would have gladly volunteered for a half month COLA had they company not raised the furlough target from 2250 to 3900. Now that I'm in the furlough crosshairs, as the company moves the goalposts, why would I volunteer? Full pay to the last day, so to speak.
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Old 08-03-2020, 11:34 AM
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WRONG!

We should tell the company and the union they can shove both of these substandard pieces of crap.

The reason the other airlines are better at mitigating furloughs is their programs are more inclusive and pay better.

United's suck!

The numbers (or lack there of) of takers prove it.
Splitting 1 line between 2 pilots is a substandard piece of crap? Seems like a reasonable way to make half pay, have a heap of free time and save a brotha or sis from the street to me. Now the VSL being age limited I understand some complaints.

More inclusive? This is open to every single pilot on property, how more inclusive does it get?

1 more thing for you. Put a mask on.
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Old 08-03-2020, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by lenticularis
splitting 1 line between 2 pilots is a substandard piece of crap? Seems like a reasonable way to make half pay, have a heap of free time and save a brotha or sis from the street to me.

More inclusive? This is open to every single pilot on property, how more inclusive does it get?
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Old 08-03-2020, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Lenticularis
Splitting 1 line between 2 pilots is a substandard piece of crap? Seems like a reasonable way to make half pay, have a heap of free time and save a brotha or sis from the street to me. Now the VSL being age limited I understand some complaints.

More inclusive? This is open to every single pilot on property, how more inclusive does it get?

1 more thing for you. Put a mask on.

I do wear a mask, but thanks, I guess.

Sure half time lines are ok, right up until you compare us with other airlines.

Maybe you guys just aren't paying attention.

Our early out is one of the least inclusive programs and we have the lowest number of takers.(substandard)

Furlough mitigation.

Alaska
50 hours, off for 6, 12, 24 months.
No going to recurrent, no half ass schedule, just off.
They save 1 furlough for every person on leave.
0 projected furloughs!

United.

Expected to work 1/2 time for half pay, and 1/2 the furlough mitigation. (And it is open to categories at the companies' discretion which is not everyone)

What is not substandard about ours when you compare them?

Numbers don't lie. Our numbers of pilots on leave is behind our peers. That is what is substandard. Our number of warn letters is about to be the highest.

Hopefully, the company and union will agree to a better plan.
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Old 08-03-2020, 12:58 PM
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What does the empty line option “save” furlough-wise?
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Old 08-03-2020, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by UAL97
I would have gladly volunteered for a half month COLA had they company not raised the furlough target from 2250 to 3900. Now that I'm in the furlough crosshairs, as the company moves the goalposts, why would I volunteer? Full pay to the last day, so to speak.
please put in a bid for something. If you don’t and get involuntarily furloughed then you’ve sealed the fate for thousands junior to you.
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Old 08-03-2020, 04:14 PM
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There’s just no way every single person will be on board. That’s the rub with this thing. A flat-out furlough is more ideal/appealing to some than a half month cola or even an empty line.
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