How do multiple rounds of furloughs work?
07-11-2020, 05:22 PM
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How do multiple rounds of furloughs work?
I’m a pilot at Alaska Airlines and I’m feeling very much in the dark about how our furloughs will work. It’s really difficult to get any straight answers out of anyone so in great desperation I’m posting to the UA forum. Since a lot of you had to go through multiple rounds of furloughs in the 2000s.
My question to you all is how does the training “churn” work during multiple rounds of furloughs? If UA furloughs 1000 pilots then a year later does it again. Would the pilots that had to switch seats from a 777 to a 767 and go to training for the 767 and then a year later go from the 767 to the 737?
I am asking this because I don’t know if AS will just furlough all of us at once or if there will be multiple rounds of furloughs. I’m guessing all at once, since it will cost less to just retrain the 737 to Bus pilots and vis a via one time only. Rather than do it again a year later.
I’m not trying to make light of the situation at UA. I am looking at a furlough myself realistically but have not been notified yet. Everyone I speak with is all rainbows and unicorns and there is zero data on how this all goes down October 1.
Thanks for your time. Good luck to us all.
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My question to you all is how does the training “churn” work during multiple rounds of furloughs? If UA furloughs 1000 pilots then a year later does it again. Would the pilots that had to switch seats from a 777 to a 767 and go to training for the 767 and then a year later go from the 767 to the 737?
I am asking this because I don’t know if AS will just furlough all of us at once or if there will be multiple rounds of furloughs. I’m guessing all at once, since it will cost less to just retrain the 737 to Bus pilots and vis a via one time only. Rather than do it again a year later.
I’m not trying to make light of the situation at UA. I am looking at a furlough myself realistically but have not been notified yet. Everyone I speak with is all rainbows and unicorns and there is zero data on how this all goes down October 1.
Thanks for your time. Good luck to us all.
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07-11-2020, 05:32 PM
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I was a new guy (2 years) on the 747-400 for 9-11. When furloughs and bumps started, I bumped to the 777. I got bumped out of the 777 before I finished training
I could have bumped to a 767, but went to the Bus, because I saw it would have happened again.
Then, two years later, I was furloughed.
I would guess AS is similar. You can do a series of cascading bumps, and yes, guys can be trained many times. I was going to Training every four months. Very expensive and inefficient, but no other way when you have multiple aircraft types. United had 9 different types at the time.
Three of them had Flight engineers on 9-11. They were some of the first jets parked.
I could have bumped to a 767, but went to the Bus, because I saw it would have happened again.
Then, two years later, I was furloughed.
I would guess AS is similar. You can do a series of cascading bumps, and yes, guys can be trained many times. I was going to Training every four months. Very expensive and inefficient, but no other way when you have multiple aircraft types. United had 9 different types at the time.
Three of them had Flight engineers on 9-11. They were some of the first jets parked.
07-11-2020, 05:33 PM
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I was a new guy (2 years) on the 747-400 for 9-11. When furloughs and bumps started, I bumped to the 777. I got bumped out of the 777 before I finished training
I could have bumped to a 767, but went to the Bus, because I saw it would have happened again.
Then, two years later, I was furloughed.
I would guess AS is similar. You can do a series of cascading bumps, and yes, guys can be trained many times. I was going to Training every four months. Very expensive and inefficient, but no other way when you have multiple aircraft types. United had 9 different types at the time.
I could have bumped to a 767, but went to the Bus, because I saw it would have happened again.
Then, two years later, I was furloughed.
I would guess AS is similar. You can do a series of cascading bumps, and yes, guys can be trained many times. I was going to Training every four months. Very expensive and inefficient, but no other way when you have multiple aircraft types. United had 9 different types at the time.
Brutal. Thanks for your time
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07-11-2020, 06:41 PM
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I’m a pilot at Alaska Airlines and I’m feeling very much in the dark about how our furloughs will work. It’s really difficult to get any straight answers out of anyone so in great desperation I’m posting to the UA forum. Since a lot of you had to go through multiple rounds of furloughs in the 2000s.
My question to you all is how does the training “churn” work during multiple rounds of furloughs? If UA furloughs 1000 pilots then a year later does it again. Would the pilots that had to switch seats from a 777 to a 767 and go to training for the 767 and then a year later go from the 767 to the 737?
I am asking this because I don’t know if AS will just furlough all of us at once or if there will be multiple rounds of furloughs. I’m guessing all at once, since it will cost less to just retrain the 737 to Bus pilots and vis a via one time only. Rather than do it again a year later.
I’m not trying to make light of the situation at UA. I am looking at a furlough myself realistically but have not been notified yet. Everyone I speak with is all rainbows and unicorns and there is zero data on how this all goes down October 1.
Thanks for your time. Good luck to us all.
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My question to you all is how does the training “churn” work during multiple rounds of furloughs? If UA furloughs 1000 pilots then a year later does it again. Would the pilots that had to switch seats from a 777 to a 767 and go to training for the 767 and then a year later go from the 767 to the 737?
I am asking this because I don’t know if AS will just furlough all of us at once or if there will be multiple rounds of furloughs. I’m guessing all at once, since it will cost less to just retrain the 737 to Bus pilots and vis a via one time only. Rather than do it again a year later.
I’m not trying to make light of the situation at UA. I am looking at a furlough myself realistically but have not been notified yet. Everyone I speak with is all rainbows and unicorns and there is zero data on how this all goes down October 1.
Thanks for your time. Good luck to us all.
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07-12-2020, 08:25 AM
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Equally so......
As recent as January of 2020, there were very junior NB Capt's who were residing around the 11.1K overall seniority demographic. With UA's Man Power Planning proposed furloughs numbers for Oct 1, Oct 30-ish, Nov 30 (1750-250-250), those same former Capt's mentioned could be very close (right above/below) to the furlough line.
Hoping the pending E/O Package that was announced last week softens those number's above.
As recent as January of 2020, there were very junior NB Capt's who were residing around the 11.1K overall seniority demographic. With UA's Man Power Planning proposed furloughs numbers for Oct 1, Oct 30-ish, Nov 30 (1750-250-250), those same former Capt's mentioned could be very close (right above/below) to the furlough line.
Hoping the pending E/O Package that was announced last week softens those number's above.
07-13-2020, 02:07 PM
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Equally so......
As recent as January of 2020, there were very junior NB Capt's who were residing around the 11.1K overall seniority demographic. With UA's Man Power Planning proposed furloughs numbers for Oct 1, Oct 30-ish, Nov 30 (1750-250-250), those same former Capt's mentioned could be very close (right above/below) to the furlough line.
Hoping the pending E/O Package that was announced last week softens those number's above.
As recent as January of 2020, there were very junior NB Capt's who were residing around the 11.1K overall seniority demographic. With UA's Man Power Planning proposed furloughs numbers for Oct 1, Oct 30-ish, Nov 30 (1750-250-250), those same former Capt's mentioned could be very close (right above/below) to the furlough line.
Hoping the pending E/O Package that was announced last week softens those number's above.
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