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Old 07-07-2020, 11:19 AM
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Any ideas on the amounts and time frame of UAL's debt? The reason I ask is that I'm wondering about time frame to get to a reasonable debt position before growth might occur. The debt numbers were something that I could factor in to estimate how long the furloughs were going to run over the 2001 and 2008 times and turned out to be a fair predictor for recalls for my own planning.
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Any ideas on the amounts and time frame of UAL's debt? The reason I ask is that I'm wondering about time frame to get to a reasonable debt position before growth might occur.
not the answer you're looking for but correlation is not causation springs to mind.
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not the answer you're looking for but correlation is not causation springs to mind.
^ ^ ^
This

That said, the latest filing (July 2) shows the most recently issued debt is due in 2027.

https://ir.united.com/static-files/e...8-528ef87f3b50
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^ ^ ^
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That said, the latest filing (July 2) shows the most recently issued debt is due in 2027.

https://ir.united.com/static-files/e...8-528ef87f3b50
Kirby is going to need to grow United like crazy to cover the debt payments. I bet either an acquisition of another airline or wait for one to fail and take over their assets.
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Kirby is going to need to grow United like crazy to cover the debt payments. I bet either an acquisition of another airline or wait for one to fail and take over their assets.

I hope not to see another Merger
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I hope not to see another Merger
seriously no thanks
I hope not as well, but I think we're both going to be disappointed.
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I hope not to see another Merger
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If your furlough projection numbers on the furlough thread are correct, then I'm betting you will see another merger.

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China owns the planes
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Originally Posted by O2pilot
Kirby is going to need to grow United like crazy to cover the debt payments. I bet either an acquisition of another airline or wait for one to fail and take over their assets.
Or he just rolls over maturing debt like most companies with large amounts of maturing debt.
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Who owns the debt is vague at best...Most large loans 100+million and up are held by numerous institutions as any one institution can't carry the risk.

Term and interest rate are probably best considered together. Interest rate in excess of the risk free rate, represents the markets view of how risky any investment is. The current RFR is 0.69% so, the market sees a fair amount of risk with United. Right now UA is getting junk bond or worse interest rates on debt, which shows serious concern with long term viability.

Term is important, because UA would like to buy out the loans at some point. Companies normally do this by rolling over the principle into a new loan at a lower interest rate. Hopefully UA will be in a position to do this.
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