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Old 07-18-2020, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
that’s what happens when you have a single fleet. It doesn’t matter how many SW gets to take its only one event for one pilot if they come up 1 CA short. Could you imagine if we lost 50% of our 787 pilots?

A lot of overtime for you bud.
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Old 07-18-2020, 07:40 PM
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Thanks for doing the math and since this thread is about early outs how many "eligible" Ual pilots will take it? I'm thinking if we're lucky best case scenario is half so that's only 550 pilots! IMO that's not a lot of help for the cause. Don't get me wrong it's better than nothing but this deal seems too restrictive & really won't save that many pilots from furlough. I'm a two time furlough hoping to avoid furlough #3 & I would've liked to have seen an offer that more senior pilots would want to take!
My guess is 300. JMO
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Old 07-18-2020, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
that’s what happens when you have a single fleet. It doesn’t matter how many SW gets to take its only one event for one pilot if they come up 1 CA short. Could you imagine if we lost 50% of our 787 pilots?
While you are right about that, it also means SWA didn't have to offer squat to the pilots, every furlough is half a displacement into an airplane everyone is typed and current in. The fact SWA offered a package generous enough for 24% of the pilots to take it does say something about "culture" (I'm at NK, and I think they will withhold my last paycheck until I FedEx HQ my ipad and ID if I get furloughed). It does sound like you got something further from SWA than I was expecting considering every furlough with the current amount of international flying is probably at least 4 full training events....
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Old 07-18-2020, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by HuggyU2
It is a great offer for the 62+ year old pilots. What else did you expect to see to sweeten the deal?

It is a good deal for those very few pilots. As I said earlier in my post I felt it was too restrictive... meaning, why limit it to 62+? Why not 60+ or 55+ etc. Saying "senior" wasn't the best choice of words. From what I've seen in this thread, pilots younger than 62 would take the deal.
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Old 07-19-2020, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by mjsunde
It is a good deal for those very few pilots. As I said earlier in my post I felt it was too restrictive... meaning, why limit it to 62+? Why not 60+ or 55+ etc. Saying "senior" wasn't the best choice of words. From what I've seen in this thread, pilots younger than 62 would take the deal.
perhaps because in 2-3 years they perceive that we’re gonna need those pilots?
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Old 07-19-2020, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by mjsunde
It is a good deal for those very few pilots. As I said earlier in my post I felt it was too restrictive... meaning, why limit it to 62+? Why not 60+ or 55+ etc. Saying "senior" wasn't the best choice of words. From what I've seen in this thread, pilots younger than 62 would take the deal.
because it is a wash cost wise for 63+ folks. After they burn down sick time while active they may as well send them home.

it is all about cash preservation.
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Old 07-19-2020, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by mjsunde
It is a good deal for those very few pilots. As I said earlier in my post I felt it was too restrictive... meaning, why limit it to 62+? Why not 60+ or 55+ etc. Saying "senior" wasn't the best choice of words. From what I've seen in this thread, pilots younger than 62 would take the deal.
You also have to remember that the Company wasn’t interested in ANY early out programs. I really don’t understand why though? The Union had very stiff headwinds and I think, all things considered, that they did a great job!!! Is it perfect? No, but we’re better than we were before?!?!
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Old 07-19-2020, 07:47 AM
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You also have to remember that the Company wasn’t interested in ANY early out programs. I really don’t understand why though? The Union had very stiff headwinds and I think, all things considered, that they did a great job!!! Is it perfect? No, but we’re better than we were before?!?!
agreed - it could always be better. But this is better than before.
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Old 07-19-2020, 07:53 AM
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If I was a commuter I’d take a hard look at the EO. Especially if I was planning on moving to a different retirement spot. Having a paid move vs one on your own dime is night and day.
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Originally Posted by mmm123
My guess is 300. JMO
Initially I thought a low number as well

But then someone put it this way.
If they are eligible to take it and don't. They are working for free for the first 50 hours each month, or >50% pay-cut.
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