TEXASTONE

absolutey! I just posted that for some comic relief....lol

MasterOfPuppets

I would if I could but I can’t due to my current position at United. I would be all over a empty line if I was a line pilot.

LeeFXDWG

Im pretty sure it’s spelled out for you in the NC Brief. Reading is fundamental.

Letter of Agreement 20-03 Pilot Voluntary Separation Leave (P-VSL), ratified unanimously by the MEC today, contains provisions for pilots 62 and older to separate early from United Airlines while retaining benefits and a large portion of average line pay.



See below for a summary of the provisions governed by the final LOA language found here. If you have any questions, please send a PDR using the drop-down for Retirement & Insurance.



Overview

• Pay = 50 hours per month plus 16% B/C Plan contributions
  • Leave and pay starts with Sept 2020 bid period
    • Can only be delayed up to 3 bid periods (by Category)
  • Hourly rate used is the pilot’s rate of pay in effect when bidding opens

mmm123

Maybe you need to look harder.

250 or point 65

Without the LOA, the company has to decide between paying for the flexibility of keeping pilots current by paying them min guarantee + training cost + bennies and furlough.

With the LOA, they don't have to make the decision. Now they get the flexibility of keeping pilots current while only paying for training cost + bennies. Basically, it makes it economical to furlough pilots. I can't think of a reason why they wouldn't furlough 5,000 pilots now. I would have voted NO to this. As someone who is 850 away from the first 2250, I think this writes my story.

I'm kinda shocked the MEC passed this as furlough mitigation.

hslightnin

This also means what 31 days from recall to first day of reserve?

At least it's voluntary, don't see too many takers.

Sixty N Two

Looks like this 20-03 affords those senior folks who are set for cash or who don’t want to take a step back in QoL, or risk COVID19 infections for the last couple months/years to sail off into the sunset with a nice monthly package. Also being on leave vs separated gives them the ability to cancel it and officially retire/separate to grab lumps sums if this all turns really south and its looking like BK is coming. Hope many see this as a good deal and are able and willing to take this. No judgement if they don’t, but it seems these outs have the best chance for furlough mitigation over the 20-02 options.

20-02, I get the idea that it alleviates some financial pain for the company and it probably favors them financially let’s says 65/35 as a total wag. But what I like is that if people take these voluntary options they are likely in the furlough zone anyway and it allows them to “do it to themselves” so to speak. If they take this its because it’s good for them and just because something is good for the company doesn’t have to mean it’s bad for the pilot group. I like the ingenuity and positive option for some pilots which also allows the company back on track quicker than competitors.

I think we’ve had enough time for most folks in the bottom 30 percent to at least have a couple furlough plan Bs in the works. And some of these plan B options may not have quality health care. I like that if even though we lose bypass furlough recall with the voluntary programs, it says if someone has signed an employment contract they are allowed to complete their contract and then return. They don’t have to come back immediately when recalled if they can show the company why via a contract. They convert to a COLA I believe it said.

I really don’t think the company wants to do seasonal furloughs and I hope our MEC thought this through. Also, they can’t make you take a voluntary plus or any voluntary program. If you don’t take a voluntary furlough they can’t make you be in the furlough training program. Maybe I read this wrong, but as I see it, there are a nice variety of options for many situations, that offers medical benefit mitigation to the most junior and at risk part of the group: over all I think win-win. I’ve heard it said in business a good deal isn’t where one side wins it all, but when both feel they’ve gotten good value. I don’t know management values this but I’m happy with the value we got for the costs. I think these LOAs are done in good faith and positive, specifically because they are voluntary and give options across the range of our pilot group

Al Czervik

Thanks Lee. Any idea on how the 15 days on leave/month are figured? Will everyone bid to work the first 1/2 or second 1/2 of the month?

MasterOfPuppets

you will get half in the first half and half in the last half with the ability to put them all together in the middle of the month.

LeeFXDWG

Here’s the best I can offer in reply.


Active Pilot Programs

Multi-Month Empty Lines and Half-Month COLAs

Multi-Month Empty Lines and Half-Month COLAs for a continuous eight months are available for all pilots to bid. An award for an Empty Line or a Half-Month COLA will encompass all of the bid periods from October 2020 through May 2021.

Multi-Month Empty Lines come with 20 hours of Add Pay paid in the June 2021 Bid Period. Pilots will continue to bid normally for Continuing Qualification (CQ) events and will be provided the opportunity to maintain currency.

Half-Month COLAs come with 10 hours of Add Pay paid in the June 2021 Bid Period. Pilots awarded a Half-Month COLA during the initial bid (an “unconditional” bid) will bid on blocks of 15 COLA days, which are at the beginning or end of each Bid Period.

For both the Multi-Month Empty Line and Half-Month COLA programs, the first 100 bidders in seniority order shall be awarded them. Additional awards will be determined by the Company in seniority order by Category.

Conditional Bids

Conditional bids are for pilots who want a Multi-Month Empty Line or a Half-Month COLA only in the event they are Involuntary Furloughed. Taking one of those options allows the pilot to remain on active status with some ability to pick up flying on an empty line. Pilots may place a conditional bid for a Multi-Month Empty Line or a Half-Month COLA in lieu of furlough provided no Pilot senior to him is Involuntary Furloughed. A Pilot placing a conditional bid will only be awarded this bid if they are subject to Involuntary Furlough.

Even if awarded, the Pilot may still be Involuntarily Furloughed if a senior pilot is subsequently Involuntarily Furloughed on the same date or at a later date. This is to prevent an unacceptable situation where a senior pilot is Involuntarily Furloughed while a junior pilot remains active. If the senior pilot instead accepts a Voluntary Furlough, Multi-Month Empty Line or Half Month COLA, the conditional bids/awards for junior pilots will remain in place.