mmm123

My guess age 62 pay 50 hours pay plus b and c funding so about 58 for the month. Medical, dental.. I think the deal would be protected \
if and when bankruptcy is filed if that is even possible. I don't think AMR plan is protected. If they don't get enough or the number they are looking for they might lower the age.JMO and guess

Rotorover

Andy, sorry to hear about your diagnosis. Hope you're doing well. I think the technicality they based the decision on was that you were not recalled to LCAL in 2012, you were hired by LCAL. You were still on furlough from LUAL. Just a thought.

cadetdrivr

I'm sure that was the exact reasoning at the time which was, and remains, absurd considering the merger occurred in 2010. LCAL and LUAL were the two sides of the same coin.

Rotorover

Yes, that's the travesty of the merger. The merged company was able to hire pilots while keeping LUAL pilots on furlough.

LeeFXDWG

Right or wrong, it did provide an avenue for furloughed pilots to get back into the cockpit. The operation wasn’t merged yet. The transition agreement simply provided an option. Those pilots were all recalled officially with the option to stay in their current BES after the operational merge.

I was a voluntary furlough and bypassed until I felt a contract was close. I took a TPA job at that time because I wanted to go home to Texas. Then after the JCBA I was officially recalled from LUAL. Since I was a VF, I would have to go to ORD in the 320. I elected to stay in IAH on the 737 then bid up to the 777 a short time later.

It wasn’t perfect but worked for me.

Lee

oldmako

What we have now is a hell of a lot less than what we were supposed to have (now) based on our previous contracts. The last time I checked, our contract lapsed years ago and yet MU is spending money on stock buybacks the way a crack head lotto winner does on hookers in Vegas. Meanwhile, MU is setting the table for another painful and bloody trip to the proctologist. Strangely enough, my employer lubing me up with BS and Townhall propaganda so they can have their way with my wallet and retirement plans prevents me from appreciating it. Screw the grand scheme.

I go to work with a smile. I try really hard at TK. I try really hard to assist my Captains and fellow pilots every time I go to work. I try really hard to make the plane as cool as possible on hot days before the pax show up. I try really hard to avoid filling out FSAPs, taking idiotic delays, and creating angry pax. But that's where I draw the line. No more digging them out with the money I am contractually owed. NYET.

oldmako

Well, that's setting the bar awfully low. Surely you don't mean, I got mine?
It was a BS way of screwing UA guys on furlough by the parent company, UA while CAL was hiring, post merger.

LeeFXDWG

Like I said. Wasn’t perfect. I didn’t set the bar. The union and company did. I took control and took a VF since I had options. I then evaluated the landscape on when/if to come back. Please don’t tell me I did something wrong. I saved one pilots job by taking their furlough. You?

As for I got mine, I’ve done volunteer work for ALPA for 15 years. You?

Lee

oldmako

It was far from perfect, I agree, What choice did the union have? Half a SS or the whole glorious thing? My point is that we ought not gloss over turds that we have eaten and look at things so myopically. Great, you landed on your feet. Perhaps WE can do better the next time? I am not claiming that you did anything wrong. Our aperture needs to be widened to include everyone. Since I was furloughed and had zero options I appreciate your gesture. But many didn't have options and that is what our union ought to consider as we line up for the coming colostomy. If we have an "Oh, hell, most of them will land on their feet" attitude we've screwed up. This is my 34th year in this industry and we have ALWAYS been in a low-grade cold war with management. Most don't recognize it. I'm sick of us getting giddy during times of high cotton and then dropping the ball when things go wrong. One step up, two steps back comes to mind. This job ought to pay far more than an attractive hourly rate. It used to back when it was a career.

It's been a long time but most of the stories I recall from the LUAL guys getting jobs at LCAL left a LOT to be desired. Not to mention what happened a few years later when the pieces of pizza were all jammed into one box. But hey, great burritos!

While your ALPA bona fides are appreciated, that doesn't mean that my opinion is invalid or that yours carries more weight. UA is my third ALPA carrier and I did work while at the previous two. Why must guys hoist that canard every time anyone disagrees with an ALPA volunteer's stated position? It strikes me as unseemly. My dues money alone allows me to pontificate my opinion as I wish. And my ALPA-PAC contributions over the years should allow me to shout them. After all, it's just an online forum, I'm not running for anything.

All that aside, THANK YOU FOR YOUR ALPA SERVICE and I apologize if my opinion soured your evening.

LeeFXDWG

Didnt give it much thought at all beyond my quick replies.

As to the ALPA reference, it’s brought up to remind you that if you don’t like what the union does then get off your boat and step up. Or better yet run for an LEC Rep position.

Anyway, I hope you are sharing your thoughts to your reps. Only doing it here is a waste of time.

Lee