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Old 06-06-2020, 04:28 PM
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I would say the 737 FO position has to be the hardest working one at this company. The level of automation, and the lack of it when you compare the two, is quite comical.

Let's say you are flying out of Vegas next month, middle of the afternoon with a heavy, bleeds off takeoff. There are about 17 steps the FO on the 73 has to do to make that happen. On the bus? It's negative 1 step. That's right, all you have to do is forget to turn off the APU.

Yes, some of our older busses are getting louder, but just the noise level differences really add up when it comes to fatigue. Or having room for two jumpseats? I could go on, but then more people would want to take my (soon to be furloughed) seat.
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Originally Posted by Bwipilot
All correct except that you don’t fly the bus, you program it
Humorous, but inaccurate. Just curious, how many hours do you have flying the Bus?
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Old 06-07-2020, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Rawhide51
I would say the 737 FO position has to be the hardest working one at this company. The level of automation, and the lack of it when you compare the two, is quite comical.

Let's say you are flying out of Vegas next month, middle of the afternoon with a heavy, bleeds off takeoff. There are about 17 steps the FO on the 73 has to do to make that happen. On the bus? It's negative 1 step. That's right, all you have to do is forget to turn off the APU.

Yes, some of our older busses are getting louder, but just the noise level differences really add up when it comes to fatigue. Or having room for two jumpseats? I could go on, but then more people would want to take my (soon to be furloughed) seat.
Bleeds off takeoff is easy on the Guppy. Don't shut off the APU, squeeze spread squeeze, then the reverse C.

Don't over think it.
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Old 06-07-2020, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Poss
Bleeds off takeoff is easy on the Guppy. Don't shut off the APU, squeeze spread squeeze, then the reverse C.

Don't over think it.
OMG! Vs automatic. We're not in an age where the “Wright Flyer” is a technological marvel
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Old 06-07-2020, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Poss
Bleeds off takeoff is easy on the Guppy. Don't shut off the APU, squeeze spread squeeze, then the reverse C.

Don't over think it.
If it’s such a great setup, why didn’t they use it in the 777 or 787? It’s not like the guppy isn’t still being built and improvements couldn’t be made.
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Old 06-07-2020, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotgolfer
If it’s such a great setup, why didn’t they use it in the 777 or 787? It’s not like the guppy isn’t still being built and improvements couldn’t be made.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^
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Old 06-07-2020, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotgolfer
If it’s such a great setup, why didn’t they use it in the 777 or 787? It’s not like the guppy isn’t still being built and improvements couldn’t be made.

Southwest and ryanair have made any improvements to that plane impossible. I think the max will be the last of the line though. As soon as those 2 take on a second type, game over.


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Old 06-07-2020, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotgolfer
If it’s such a great setup, why didn’t they use it in the 777 or 787? It’s not like the guppy isn’t still being built and improvements couldn’t be made.
787 no bleed to pack.... 777 not allowed bleeds off ( needs bleed air for demand pumps)
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Old 06-07-2020, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotgolfer
If it’s such a great setup, why didn’t they use it in the 777 or 787? It’s not like the guppy isn’t still being built and improvements couldn’t be made.
We all know why the Guppy is the way it is. To bemoan the fact that there are 17 steps for a bleeds off takeoff as a reason not to fly it is a bit silly.

It's Jurassic. The Bus is automatic. Fly what you want to fly. It's a trade-off.

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Old 06-07-2020, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by oldmako
Humorous, but inaccurate. Just curious, how many hours do you have flying the Bus?
Trick question! The answer is “zero” since nobody flies the bus. The bus flies you ;-)
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