LeeFXDWG

Ill try to use a simple example. This example assumes it’s after the effective date and dealing with a displacement.

Say you only have four pilots getting displaced into category X. Pilot 1 thru pilot 4 and that’s from the most senior to most junior.

For whatever reason pilot 1 goes to training first. Pilots 2,3 and 4 are still awaiting their trip to TK. 8-F-5 says pilot 1 keeps his pay since pilot 4 hasn’t gone to training yet. With me so far..... Pilot 1 is now man for man protected by pilot 4.

Now, pilot 2 goes and gets qual’d. Pilot 1 is still man for man with pilot 4 for his pay protection. And pilot 2 is now man for man with pilot 3. Pilot 2 can’t use pilot 4 to pay protect him because pilot 1 is already using him as his pay protection.

Now pilot 4 goes and gets his qual. Pilot 1 cant use pilot 4 and shifts to being protected by pilot 3. As a result, Pilot 2 has now lost anyone to go “man for man” with and therefore triggers to his new pay rate.

It’s virtually impossible for a line pilot to keep track of this on a displacement of this size. The SSC watches this closely and publishes a monthly report in the SSC meeting minutes called the 8-F-5 report.

Lee

LeeFXDWG

Dave

I stay away from giving advice on a public forum. Sorry. I will however try to answer UPA questions.

Lee

Nucflash

Ah, yes.....

O2pilot

You are correct. You will be paid as a 777 FO until you start OE as a 737 FO.

LeeFXDWG

Or later if there is a junior pilot on a man for man basis that isn’t considered activated. Sadly, since we don’t have a hard inverse seniority training requirement during a displacement it can get convoluted......

He could actually keep the 777 FO pay longer than OE. Slim chance but a chance nonetheless.

Big picture, the new ESRL delays the OE trigger but comes with X months at zero pay. How a pilot values the option is up to them. Me, I’m local so will put up with RSV. A commuter from a city that’s hard to commute from, different story for certain.

Lee

opheims

So, I bid for and was awarded ESRL staring in June, but my June calendar / schedule still shows the reserve schedule.

Any prior ESRL awardees know when / how the change showed in your calendar?

Thanks in advance!

LeeFXDWG

Please PDR to System Schedule Crewdesk and let them know. If you were awarded an ESRL your June schedule should have been updated by now.

Lee

fadec

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​​​​​​Same here. June-October ERSL but June still shows reserve. I'll be PDRing it too, perhaps in November though.

Hilltopper89

Mine changed to PLA in June. Still showing ESRL only through 7/29 but I’ll bet that is fixed once the displacement populates. See everyone in November if I have a job to return to....

Hilltopper89

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