Displacement Bid 20-07D
05-02-2020, 05:18 PM
#51
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I don’t think that any of us were expecting this big of a bid. Some thought 4-5,000, but over a series of bids. If we’re making changes this big to the United side, I wonder what is going to happen to the regional side. Will we be able to take back flying with our excess aircraft, or will we just furlough deep while the regionals flourish?
05-02-2020, 05:20 PM
#52
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A320 Training footprint is essentially 4 weeks , (20 days) +/- a day or two.
Volunteers for displacement take the displaced pilots one for one, and they displace with the DISPLACED pilot's seniority number, For example, if your seniority number 700, and the displaced pilots number is 7000, you could only displace into equipment that seniority 7000 could displace to. Once you've displaced into new BES,, relative seniority is then based on your own seniority number (700 in the example).
Volunteers for displacement take the displaced pilots one for one, and they displace with the DISPLACED pilot's seniority number, For example, if your seniority number 700, and the displaced pilots number is 7000, you could only displace into equipment that seniority 7000 could displace to. Once you've displaced into new BES,, relative seniority is then based on your own seniority number (700 in the example).
05-02-2020, 05:38 PM
#53
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You are an Airbus Captain in SFO and your seniority is 6,700. You are going to be one of the most junior Captains when this is over, and be on reserve for sure. You decide to just take another Captain’s displacement, and go to the 777 FO instead. Perfect for someone who wants a paid move and get a paid move and positive space travel. Or you just upgraded from FO to Captain, and you commute and don’t want to be on reserve, so you’d rather go back to senior FO. I guarantee there will be people that volunteer.
05-02-2020, 06:15 PM
#54
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Its contractual. They can’t stop it. There is a check block on the Displacement Bidding page to select if you want to volunteer and displace into a different category. The only caveat is the person you are displacing has to be able to hold it (FYI you are always taking the displacement of the most senior person being displaces). Here’s an example.
You are an Airbus Captain in SFO and your seniority is 6,700. You are going to be one of the most junior Captains when this is over, and be on reserve for sure. You decide to just take another Captain’s displacement, and go to the 777 FO instead. Perfect for someone who wants a paid move and get a paid move and positive space travel. Or you just upgraded from FO to Captain, and you commute and don’t want to be on reserve, so you’d rather go back to senior FO. I guarantee there will be people that volunteer.
You are an Airbus Captain in SFO and your seniority is 6,700. You are going to be one of the most junior Captains when this is over, and be on reserve for sure. You decide to just take another Captain’s displacement, and go to the 777 FO instead. Perfect for someone who wants a paid move and get a paid move and positive space travel. Or you just upgraded from FO to Captain, and you commute and don’t want to be on reserve, so you’d rather go back to senior FO. I guarantee there will be people that volunteer.
This is best described as a flush bump/displacement based on how it was designed.
Voluntary displacement is an option just limited by the size and parameters that are set by the company.
Lee
05-02-2020, 07:53 PM
#55
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Just remember, when you volunteer, you do so with the seniority of the pilot you replace. So, with the way the min/max is manipulated, the volunteer options are minimal and it limits the bump “game.”
This is best described as a flush bump/displacement based on how it was designed.
Voluntary displacement is an option just limited by the size and parameters that are set by the company.
Lee
This is best described as a flush bump/displacement based on how it was designed.
Voluntary displacement is an option just limited by the size and parameters that are set by the company.
Lee
The Vacancy MIN-MAX bulletin accompanies the Surplus Letter. It really doesn't have any applicability to a displacement except to indicate from which Categories the Company is displacing and to establish the number of pilots used when evaluating percentage bids. All other numbers are advisory only. As stated above, you can bump into any Category your seniority can hold. The MAX number for the Category has no effect on where you can bump.
05-02-2020, 07:58 PM
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yep....we lose the equivalent of 1-2 sims depending on the fleet size per day for cleaning.
05-02-2020, 08:06 PM
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I had to read that twice as well. There are 2 letters the category closing letter and the displacement letter. The category closing letter said you can’t volunteer because everyone is getting displaced. The displacement letter clearly defines how to volunteer.
05-02-2020, 08:10 PM
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I have to admit, I’ve been reading these posts for a while, but have never commented on anything. My husband is a 737 FO in ORD. Around 4,000 seniority. I was hoping for the best, but after the displacement announcement today, I just opened up a bottle of wine and cried. We have two kids to think of, and I’m currently a SAHM. I have a RN license but haven’t worked in 4 years, so I’m a bit rusty, but at least we have that to fall back on. We have about a year’s worth of living expenses in savings, but I’m worried that won’t be enough to get us by for the duration of the furlough, and I really don’t want to deplete our savings account. I’m already talking to my husband about selling the house and downsizing, pulling our kids out of sports, etc., but he says I’m overreacting, and he doesn’t want to traumatize our kids. He doesn’t think all of these furloughs will happen at once. I’m praying for all of you, and I hope we all make it through this horrific time. Stay healthy and safe.
My wife was a SAHM and we made do, in fact, it helped us set up a long term plan that would have worked without ever returning. Keep positive, focus on what you can do and try not to worry about stuff that is largely out of your control.
05-02-2020, 08:20 PM
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With this many displacements, PS travel to a displaced base will be interesting. It’s been over 30 years since I’ve done it. We may have to add hub-to hub flying just to get pilots positioned for their trip/rsrv duty. With such little flying going on, complying with the commuter policy may be impossible on the same day in many cases.
So I am wondering, could PS travel boarding priority be in reverse seniority? Does the commuter policy even apply to displacement travel? I don’t see anything in the UPA that differentiates?
So I am wondering, could PS travel boarding priority be in reverse seniority? Does the commuter policy even apply to displacement travel? I don’t see anything in the UPA that differentiates?
05-02-2020, 09:07 PM
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