Originally Posted by captsurf

Word of mouth, but this info apparently originates from inside flight ops leadership (Q&A with LCAs).

Originally Posted by LeeFXDWG

Exactly! Bid whatever you can get such as ESRL and take every penny you can. My 2 cents.

Lee

Originally Posted by captsurf

Word of mouth, but this info apparently originates from inside flight ops leadership (Q&A with LCAs). To summarize:

-The company currently does NOT plan on actually displacing (read training) 4500 pilots. It is merely just the first phase of a worst case scenario battle plan to have in their back pocket
-Displacement training cycles will start June 01 from the button up. As/if the recovery improves they will cancel displacements from the top down (or on the contrary, create additional displacements)
-There are four furlough plans: 0, 1000, 4000, 8000. Still way too early to determine which is most realistic
-4500 displacements absolutely does not mean 4500 furloughs
-Anyone who’s junior and has had training cancelled does not mean they will be furloughed. The company is just trying to maximize displacement training throughput and doesn’t care if there will be “not qualled” pilots on junior fleets, since there will be such a surplus. If they have to go to the sim anyway (QMV/QLOE/landings), they’d rather kick that can down the road and re-qual them when they become needed and use the current sim slots in the near-term for Qualification courses as a result of displacements. A requal would just be a warmup, maneuvers validation, then line check.
-The current furlough breakeven estimate is 6 months based on the structure of the displacement (not 18 months as previously believed). While this may make it easier to justify furloughing X number of pilots, it is also that much earlier a pilot can expect to returning to the line should things really improve, IF a furlough even happens

Originally Posted by mathteacher

Like I said above, I'm moving to a different career path and have to quit UAL to do so. In normal pay standards (non-airline professional) the school is really taking care of me by offering me the tenure track so I'm thinking probably 15 years teaching in exchange for 9 years at UAL, maybe. The school has a pension, UAL has whatever we can make of it. Given my luck the age 67 thing will kick in like the age 65 thing did during the last wave of furloughs...not that I'm suggesting that, but it would be my luck. So it is time...Everybody fly safe, been an honor to work here for the last 5 years. Have a Longboard at Duke's in Lihue if the chance ever arises in the future.

Originally Posted by mathteacher

Like I said above, I'm moving to a different career path and have to quit UAL to do so. In normal pay standards (non-airline professional) the school is really taking care of me by offering me the tenure track so I'm thinking probably 15 years teaching in exchange for 9 years at UAL, maybe. The school has a pension, UAL has whatever we can make of it. Given my luck the age 67 thing will kick in like the age 65 thing did during the last wave of furloughs...not that I'm suggesting that, but it would be my luck. So it is time...Everybody fly safe, been an honor to work here for the last 5 years. Have a Longboard at Duke's in Lihue if the chance ever arises in the future.

Originally Posted by Shrek

You will be fine........5 years a drop on the bucket seniority wise. Why can I come off so crass ? I’ve been furloughed by UAL in 08 and this furlough (if it happens - did you get a letter yet ?) will be MUCH shorter in duration (less than a year).

just to put things into perspective 🤘🏻

Originally Posted by mathteacher

I'd have to be honest and say I really don't care about furlough pay. As a 22 year FO pay that would be maybe ??? $75,000??? best case. If I had to sit reserve and give up my day job I'd lose at least that every year I delay. So in my case to answer your question I wouldn't factor it in because it would be irrelevant for my long term plan. All I have is history to go on and my own limited history shows to put confidence in events outside my control. The furlough pay would be outside my control.

Originally Posted by blizzue

I will never understand why some people choose to walk away from the easiest six figure job on the planet.

See-ya.

Originally Posted by bababouey

Exactly. And if you’re dead set on trying another gig, wait until furlough and do it until you can’t bypass anymore then make the call.


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