Displacement Bid 20-07D
05-03-2020, 07:27 PM
#101
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2012
Position: UALFO 737
Posts: 67
Just given my track record at UAL I'm assuming I'm furloughed for the third time for a few years...I know doom and gloom but that has been my experience as an early 2000 hire...I just asked my Dad, an old time Pan Am guy and my uncles, old time PSA guys...have they ever heard of one moron getting furloughed by the same airline three times? They had never heard of
a. someone like me dumb enough to keep coming back to get kicked in teeth every 5 or 6 years (that's from my Dad), or
b. any airline being that inept without going out of business.
Anybody ever hear of one airline furloughing three times for the same relative seniority group?
a. someone like me dumb enough to keep coming back to get kicked in teeth every 5 or 6 years (that's from my Dad), or
b. any airline being that inept without going out of business.
Anybody ever hear of one airline furloughing three times for the same relative seniority group?
05-03-2020, 07:49 PM
#102
Gets Weekends Off Rarely
Joined APC: Feb 2019
Posts: 195
What? If you measure "better" to the .00000001th position, you might be right. Let's face it, flying for a regional sucks if you look at their ENTIRE contract and compare it to the big 4. Minimal advancement per decade is a lousy measure of advancement.
IF the mainline pilots wet their pants and cry into their blankies, the regionals might advance another inch during the current spasm.
First post eh?
IF the mainline pilots wet their pants and cry into their blankies, the regionals might advance another inch during the current spasm.
First post eh?
05-04-2020, 02:50 AM
#103
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2009
Posts: 1,860
05-04-2020, 03:09 AM
#104
777 - ret
Joined APC: Apr 2020
Position: Waco CG-4 center seat
Posts: 863
05-04-2020, 05:09 AM
#105
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Posts: 805
This displacement is a confusing thing but I can't believe the lack of understanding of the numbers. To see a number that you don't understand and say that must be the number of furloughs and run on forums to scare the bottom of the list is shameful. It is complete ignorance or malice. Now we have Forbes running headlines with the dumb "4500" number.
Someone being displaced does not mean they are furloughed or that the airline doesn't have a seat for that 1 junior pilot. They are reshuffling multiple fleets with categories being consolidated. A displaced widebody CA can slide into another widebody CA seat. Will the company run another displacement to get him out of that new widebody CA slot? Did they plan for that? We dont know. Manpower gave us 30% of 2019 number. That is probably a much better guess minus retirements, early outs, the expensive nature of short term furloughs, and other union mitigation. Which is all on the table. Breathe people. Dont listen to pilots when talking about relationships, financial advice, and apparently interpreting data.
Someone being displaced does not mean they are furloughed or that the airline doesn't have a seat for that 1 junior pilot. They are reshuffling multiple fleets with categories being consolidated. A displaced widebody CA can slide into another widebody CA seat. Will the company run another displacement to get him out of that new widebody CA slot? Did they plan for that? We dont know. Manpower gave us 30% of 2019 number. That is probably a much better guess minus retirements, early outs, the expensive nature of short term furloughs, and other union mitigation. Which is all on the table. Breathe people. Dont listen to pilots when talking about relationships, financial advice, and apparently interpreting data.
05-04-2020, 05:48 AM
#106
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: 787
Posts: 3,202
This displacement is a confusing thing but I can't believe the lack of understanding of the numbers. To see a number that you don't understand and say that must be the number of furloughs and run on forums to scare the bottom of the list is shameful. It is complete ignorance or malice. Now we have Forbes running headlines with the dumb "4500" number.
Someone being displaced does not mean they are furloughed or that the airline doesn't have a seat for that 1 junior pilot. They are reshuffling multiple fleets with categories being consolidated. A displaced widebody CA can slide into another widebody CA seat. Will the company run another displacement to get him out of that new widebody CA slot? Did they plan for that? We dont know. Manpower gave us 30% of 2019 number. That is probably a much better guess minus retirements, early outs, the expensive nature of short term furloughs, and other union mitigation. Which is all on the table. Breathe people. Dont listen to pilots when talking about relationships, financial advice, and apparently interpreting data.
Someone being displaced does not mean they are furloughed or that the airline doesn't have a seat for that 1 junior pilot. They are reshuffling multiple fleets with categories being consolidated. A displaced widebody CA can slide into another widebody CA seat. Will the company run another displacement to get him out of that new widebody CA slot? Did they plan for that? We dont know. Manpower gave us 30% of 2019 number. That is probably a much better guess minus retirements, early outs, the expensive nature of short term furloughs, and other union mitigation. Which is all on the table. Breathe people. Dont listen to pilots when talking about relationships, financial advice, and apparently interpreting data.
05-04-2020, 08:17 AM
#107
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2012
Position: UALFO 737
Posts: 67
If you can’t find humor in even the worst of situations, I feel sorry for you. This sucks and we all agree, but this person added humor to an other wise serious post. I found it refreshing given the times. So lighten up Francis...
05-04-2020, 08:20 AM
#108
Pilot
Joined APC: May 2015
Posts: 149
This displacement is a confusing thing but I can't believe the lack of understanding of the numbers. To see a number that you don't understand and say that must be the number of furloughs and run on forums to scare the bottom of the list is shameful. It is complete ignorance or malice. Now we have Forbes running headlines with the dumb "4500" number.
Someone being displaced does not mean they are furloughed or that the airline doesn't have a seat for that 1 junior pilot. They are reshuffling multiple fleets with categories being consolidated. A displaced widebody CA can slide into another widebody CA seat. Will the company run another displacement to get him out of that new widebody CA slot? Did they plan for that? We dont know. Manpower gave us 30% of 2019 number. That is probably a much better guess minus retirements, early outs, the expensive nature of short term furloughs, and other union mitigation. Which is all on the table. Breathe people. Dont listen to pilots when talking about relationships, financial advice, and apparently interpreting data.
Someone being displaced does not mean they are furloughed or that the airline doesn't have a seat for that 1 junior pilot. They are reshuffling multiple fleets with categories being consolidated. A displaced widebody CA can slide into another widebody CA seat. Will the company run another displacement to get him out of that new widebody CA slot? Did they plan for that? We dont know. Manpower gave us 30% of 2019 number. That is probably a much better guess minus retirements, early outs, the expensive nature of short term furloughs, and other union mitigation. Which is all on the table. Breathe people. Dont listen to pilots when talking about relationships, financial advice, and apparently interpreting data.
05-04-2020, 08:24 AM
#109
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 2,639
this displacement is a confusing thing but i can't believe the lack of understanding of the numbers. To see a number that you don't understand and say that must be the number of furloughs and run on forums to scare the bottom of the list is shameful. It is complete ignorance or malice. Now we have forbes running headlines with the dumb "4500" number.
Someone being displaced does not mean they are furloughed or that the airline doesn't have a seat for that 1 junior pilot. They are reshuffling multiple fleets with categories being consolidated. A displaced widebody ca can slide into another widebody ca seat. Will the company run another displacement to get him out of that new widebody ca slot? Did they plan for that? We dont know. Manpower gave us 30% of 2019 number. That is probably a much better guess minus retirements, early outs, the expensive nature of short term furloughs, and other union mitigation. Which is all on the table. Breathe people. Dont listen to pilots when talking about relationships, financial advice, and apparently interpreting data.
Someone being displaced does not mean they are furloughed or that the airline doesn't have a seat for that 1 junior pilot. They are reshuffling multiple fleets with categories being consolidated. A displaced widebody ca can slide into another widebody ca seat. Will the company run another displacement to get him out of that new widebody ca slot? Did they plan for that? We dont know. Manpower gave us 30% of 2019 number. That is probably a much better guess minus retirements, early outs, the expensive nature of short term furloughs, and other union mitigation. Which is all on the table. Breathe people. Dont listen to pilots when talking about relationships, financial advice, and apparently interpreting data.
bingo!
05-04-2020, 08:45 AM
#110
777 - ret
Joined APC: Apr 2020
Position: Waco CG-4 center seat
Posts: 863
This business is fraught with wild rides and seems you both have seen your share. I hope things improve for you both.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
