Nucflash

Remember this, too. This is Carlsen’s third rodeo. He was here for both the 2172 and 1437 furloughs. You don’t think he learned a thing or two over the past 20 years? This furlough process will be brutally efficient.

MasterOfPuppets

interesting I didn’t know that. I don’t know if efficient is worse or better for us as a pilot group..........

cadetdrivr

Sure, they could do this--as long as they were displacing from all those categories. In fact in a situation like this, they would want to do this to the maximum extent possible for the very reasons you mention.

I can't think of an obvious guardrail, other than they have the vested financial incentive to only displace as many as can be trained as well as ensuring that pilots are ending up where they really want them.

It's a chess game for manpower planning, and they need to consider their next six moves while making the first one. Their goal is to reach the desired end state as efficiently as possible so they will use every tool available within the UPA to do that.

F15andMD11

The 757 was barely adequate (pilot comfort wise) for flights required to be augmented. Where will the 3rd pilot sit in the 737? Non-augment only you say? That means only KEF or SNN. 7 hrs in a 737! Ugh!

Chuck D

We've already done 7hrs or so via IAH-ANC and I think a few other long flights. Isn't some GUM flying augmented for multiple legs? Yeah, it definitely doesn't sound exciting which is why I sure hope the 321XLRs stay on track.

cadetdrivr

On the jumpseat for takeoff and landing just like the other augmented fleets?

(FWIW, UAL already operates 737s with augmented crews and approved rest seats.)

Nucflash

We don’t need to be serving markets like KEF as we dig out from this mess. IceAir shutting down tells you all you need to know. MAX will replace 757 domestic and service will be suspended to the rest.

dmeg13021

Sounds like we should open a KEF base then. I’m in.

Dave Fitzgerald

I do want to make one thing perfectly clear. There is no provision in the current UPA for a system bid. UAL has never had this, and likely won't.

The current displacement/bump protocol is a negotiated PROTECTION in our contract to preclude winter furloughs and other abuses by the company. It was made painful on purpose. The company agreed to this in negotiations, translates directly to jobs saved.

No, the contract never envisioned a pandemic and catastrophe of this magnitude. However, now, more than ever, is the time to adhere to the contract. Don't let the company get away with short cuts. Just because there is a panic, is not a valid reason to abrogate your rights under the contract.

So, don't go volunteering to give up portions or protections in the contract just because it will be difficult-- and you think we need to help the company. Our actions, largely, don't have any affect on the companies survivability/profitability.

Enforce the contract, insist on it!

JoePatroni

this! ^^^^^^^^^^