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04-28-2020, 07:02 AM

#21

rp2pilot

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Originally Posted by JimLaheyTPS

Hoss, since you’ve done the bump game before would you mind sharing your strategy to those of us who are about to see our fleet displace? I’m senior in my BES so curious if there is a benefit to volunteer for a first round displacement vs waiting for any follow up displacements. That assumes they don’t shut down SFO/LAX right away with one big displacements.

If you volunteer, you displace with the lower person's seniority (for bump purposes only). So, say your seniority number could bump to 787 in XYZ base, but the person who you're replacing could only hold narrow body f/o, then YOU'LL only be able to bump to narrow body f/o if you volunteer displace. Once in your new BaseEquipmentSeat, your monthly and vacation bidding would be done based on your OWN seniority number. Also, with a backlog of training, the difference of a couple months in displacement can translate to 6-10 months of holding current position. Last time I was bumped, it took them 9 months to send me to training; guys bumped a month earlier went to training in 2 months. My advice, unless their are extenuating circumstances that justify it, is to not voluntarily displace.

04-28-2020, 07:13 AM

#22

Charlie Buster

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Originally Posted by Airhoss

We will get to see the content of the NPDM soon enough. That will just be the tip of the iceberg, everything is dependent on market recovery.

Completely agree, Hoss. Given that future demand is a moving target, hopefully the bump and furloughs will be in phases slowing it down a little to allow for any kind of rebound from emerging mitigating factors to restore flyer confidence (testing, treatment, etc).
An effective early out offer would help though that’s likely improbable because the company is trying to preserve cash (no lump sum offer), and no one is going to want the enhanced, “I’ll pay you back on Tuesday for your retirement hamburger today” type program.

04-28-2020, 07:19 AM

#23

MasterOfPuppets

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Originally Posted by DashTrash

Don’t forget about the DEN 756 category...

I’m not sure DEN 756 will close unless they only want to fly to HNL. They need the 757 until the XLR shows up to do all the other islands.

I think the 737/777 will do all flying from LAX/SFO so other base will not be able to pick up the DEN flying as a W.

rhey could do EWR/IAD/ORD-DEN-OGG/KOA/LIH-DEN-IAD/EWR/ORD. But that’s an unproductive trip for the company. Those would be sub 20 hour 5 day trips.

04-28-2020, 07:39 AM

#24

Charlie Buster

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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets

They could do EWR/IAD/ORD-DEN-OGG/KOA/LIH-DEN-IAD/EWR/ORD. But that’s an unproductive trip for the company. Those would be sub 20 hour 5 day trips.

This is exactly what they did for DCA756 in May prior to the pull down (viewable in CCS bid packages). They added variations with LAX on front or back end, but not the most productive trips just as you describe.

04-28-2020, 08:14 AM

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JimLaheyTPS

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You guys actually think DEN-Hawaii is really a market they “need” to keep during times like this and the ensuing “recovery”? They don’t need to keep a fleet around to fly a leisure heavy market when they can funnel the customers out to the West Coast, Chicago, Houston, EWR, DCA. All flown by fleets that aren’t on death row. The company is going to be facing a lot of needs vs wants with our network for the next year or so.

04-28-2020, 08:25 AM

#26

MasterOfPuppets

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Originally Posted by JimLaheyTPS

what made/makes United a great airline that people want and choose to fly is the route network. I’m not a route planner but if you cut to deep your passengers will go elsewhere.

04-28-2020, 08:35 AM

#27

BMEP100

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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets

what made/makes United a great airline that people want and choose to fly is the route network. I’m not a route planner but if you cut to deep your passengers will go elsewhere.

I agree to a point. So where would the Denver-Hawaii passengers go? Southwest?

04-28-2020, 08:38 AM

#28

MasterOfPuppets

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Originally Posted by BMEP100

I agree to a point. So where would the Denver-Hawaii passengers go? Southwest?

middle of the country AA DFW or AA/UA ORD. West AA PHX DL SLC.

04-28-2020, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets

middle of the country AA DFW or AA/UA ORD. West AA PHX DL SLC.

If we stopped Hawaii service out of Denver, how would that drive people to other airlines? What is the difference between 2 legs through an American hub and 2 legs through one of ours?

04-28-2020, 09:15 AM

#30

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Originally Posted by Itsajob

If we stopped Hawaii service out of Denver, how would that drive people to other airlines? What is the difference between 2 legs through an American hub and 2 legs through one of ours?

The difference is that OKC doesn’t go direct to SFO so it’s a 3 leg journey to Hawaii. That drives away our passengers. OKC can get to SLC/PHX/DFW with one flight then on to Hawaii. Our passengers were used to 2 stops through DEN now they 2 stop on another airline.

United’s route network is the most valuable asset Unites has. No network no passengers. some routes will NEVER make money or Barry break even (IAH-SYD) but having them in our network brings flyers onto United airplanes.