Terrain Inop

The contract. I don't think there's any feasible way for the company to displace and train that many before 10/1

MoarAlpha

Why would they have to do it by 10/1? I think everyone knows it would be in phases.

DashTrash

One reason is that just the training for recalls would be in excess of $500 million. Another reason is that if a pilot gets furloughed and gets recalled the next day, I believe that pilot has to go through INDOC and fleet specific training (full course). That’s two months of training.

crflyer

This has been explained in this very thread. Needing only 5K pilots in October just simply does not equate to 8k furloughs. It’s a massive amount of time.

MasterOfPuppets

well for 1 CAs can’t fly as first officers so they will need to be trained back to the FO seat. For 2 there would be no one to train them because you just furloughed the entire instructor cadre.

AirMicronesia

Where is that in the contract or company requirements? I did the short course on my initial captain upgrade here so things have changed a bit since the last time we furloughed. Wondering if this is another change.

OVC010CB

Icelandair laid off 95% of their pilots today.

Their unemployment system and lay-off is significantly different than a FAR 121 airline furlough.

Regularguy

The next question on many pilots minds is, how long will the furlough last?

Again, difficult to predict, however history again would indicate the last pilots furloughed will be out for near 2 years and the first possibly as long as 5.

No pun intended, but everything is in the air right now and the only thing all the world's airlines know for sure is they don't have any revenues and the predictive revenue models have been wiped out.

Yes it does s ck.

baseball

Unlike at Continental, UAL doesn't do CA checks outs in the right seat unless you are a LCA. LCA's are qualified in both seats. But, if you are a B756 CA and you are displaced or downbid to 777FO you will get an entire full course of training. I don't know what the course looks like if you are a B756 CA and go to B756 FO (nor do I want to know what that looks like). But, no one in their right mind would do that anyway...I reckon it don't matter cuz if they park the whole fleet none of the B756 pilots are qualified on anything else, so they'll all get full courses in something.

In my case, I haven't flown a 777 from the right seat in 10 years, nor the guppy in 20 years. So that will be a full course in both cases. I don't even speak french, so I'll likely need two courses on the airbus.

I think the point is: if the entire fleet gets killed, you're looking at 1200 training cycles just for those people. A small few of those may get furloughed.but, they will be bumping allot of 777 wide body FO's, B737 CA's and Airbus CA's; not to mention all of the other bumps due to FO's moving to different airframes. Then, we gotta figure the entire 'domicile' thing out. if people take moves to their new domiciles that will get really expensive real fast.

Starscream

If the company were to do that (furlough 8000 right away all at once) pretty much all the FOs are gone, and you’re just left with CAs. You’ve got narrow body fleets that have virtually no one qualified to fly them from the right seat. They’d need to start training the bulk of the widebody pilots en-masse now to have everyone in their new seats by October (for those avoiding the furlough). And you haven’t even had the displacement bid yet.

And much of American is still closed down. People aren’t traveling because there’s no where to travel to. Weddings, sporting events, Vegas, Disney, business meetings, conferences, conventions, etc, etc all on hold. Of course airports are still deserted. The outlook for summer 2021 will drive a lot of what the industry will look like going into the 4th quarter.