duvie

Modifying the contract in anyway that reduces our cost to the company sets a terrible precedent. FULL PAY TO THE LAST DAY.

lower line guarantee on the other hand makes us more expensive to the company when flying catches up with retirements IE we need to start hiring again.

this has nothing to do with concessions and has everything to do with sticking your neck our for another pilot. Even if it isn’t linear as has been argued, If it takes 8 pilots to save one pilot, how would you feel if you were in the crew room knowing that just 8 guys could save another’s marriage, kids QOL, etc??

I get that I’m closer to this than many because I was flying with a bunch of half wingers right before this began, but this isn’t some “for the good of the profession” abstract argument, it’s guys/gals we’re going to share a cockpit with for the rest of our careers

Freight Dawg

OK, ya got me there😁

Tandem46

Gotta love this BS selfish attitude. We are all in this together… unless it affects me personally, then screw the junior pilots. SK knows the union is not going to buy off on reduced pay rates or permanent contract changes. Reducing the hours across-the-board for everyone will obviously be a short term mitigation plan to avoid furloughs. Why would you not be in favor of that? Do you not give two ******s that people are going to end up on the street? Don’t answer that, it’s obvious what the answer is.

duvie

dude, do you honestly not understand why management would want to reduce training costs and stay more agile? It’s not about giving anything up if they want it too.

SK is not Delta management. He is not margin driven. Sure he likes a HJ from Wall Street, what CEO doesn’t, but market share and global presence are what he wants.

BMEP100

Kirby said in the interview they would like to see a 50% reduction in guarantee hours for pilots, almost under his breath. That is a change and reduction to the UPA. Every pilot that works will have a significantly lower W-2, and B fund and RHA fund balance upon retirement. That is especially harmful to those retiring in a couple years, with no way to catch up. (Unless the age goes to 68). Are you guys in the lower mpg camp okay with that?

I’ll be gone, but oh my how many times have I seen this played out before? The response and evolution is predictably the same ;

1. NO CONCESSIONS, FULL PAY TILL THE LAST DAY, MAINTAIN THE CONTRACT

2. HEY, YOU SENIOR GUYS HAVE HAD A LOT OF GOOD YEARS, BE A SPORT AND AGREE TO LOWER HOURS, (that’s really not a concession you know).

3.CRAP, THOSE CONCESSIONS WE GAVE EM WHEN THIS STARTED WERE REALLY A BAD IDEA, WERE GONNA GET EM ON THE NEXT CONTRACT!

And for whomever said the contract wasn’t constructed to account for a downturn like this; there have always been downturns and furlough threats, since de-regulation. That is one reason the MPG exists. This one is just of a different nature. SS,DD.

Aquaticus

Stop negotiating in public. This is the 1st quarter of a long game. You voted for or should have voted for people to negotiate with your best interests in mind. Let the process work.

Fresh

^^^^What he said. Send in PDRs to the union and let your voice be heard.

DashTrash

Exactly!!! All we're doing when we negotiate in public is cut our negotiators legs out from underneath them. We make their jobs exponentially more difficult.

Dave Fitzgerald

A message to all who are looking for ways to help the company or giving ideas for concessions.

We are already giving significant concessions because we don't have an on time contract. Please remember that when the company comes to us for contractual relief, or you volunteer to give up pay or time for free.

Remember, reserve is a choice.

ugleeual

I happen to have two furloughs under my belt during my “20” years at United. And no, I did not whine on any forums trying to convince others that concessions were in the best interest of the pilot group to save pilot jobs and/or United from BK. I never once played the “shame game” by posting on social media that senior pilots were selfish, and not team players, for not voluntarily cutting their guarantee/pay to save my pink butt. This industry is like a roller coaster... and how your career ends up is based purely on luck and when you hop on the ride... some choose better than others. What I did learn over the years is that the company doesn’t want or need more pilots than required to fly a full schedule... noticed I said full... not a partial schedules.

You can continue to beat the company concessionary drum... they love to read posts like yours.