Freight Dawg

You are totally wrong. It’s not nearly that deep into their playbook It’s in the beginning of chapter 1.

Fool me one, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

That’s a big ol’ middle finger to Kirby’s attempt at concessions.

Freight Dawg

Agreed. I’d love to work every other month until this is over.

Itsajob

Paying more people part time wages with full time benefits isn’t what they’re after. They are going to slash expenditures to the bone everywhere they can. Employees are just a line on a balance sheet. If a furlough will create a smaller number for that line, that is what they’re going to do. I also suspect that most who have taken the various SRL options have done it because they don’t want to deal with reserve, the hassle of commuting on a reduced schedule, or dealing with flying and layovers while everything is locked down, not to help the company or to possibly reduce a furlough. I’d be surprised if very many elected to reduce their hours significantly once those barriers are removed. The bottom line is that they’re going to shrink the airline and there is nothing we can do to stop it. Personally, I’d love to stay out on a SRL until the loads are back, but I won’t be given that option. They are going to make their cuts, there will be lots of displacements, and many will hit the streets. It stinks.

rickair7777

Yup, company will not want to carry any more pilots with training and bennie overhead than they absolutely must to cover flying.

duvie

Jesus H Christ. This may be mutually beneficial. Maybe it’s not, but just ENTERTAIN the idea that there could be something that both sides want.

We all agree that there is no way management wants more pilots than they need post-recovery, so we’ll get our 85 hour lines back. This was the very argument people posted in opposition to floating this idea in the first place.
“I wanna keep guys on, but management will never go for it....”

if you dichotomized ding-dongs don’t understand how This would reduce the amount of training required and keep us flexible for the upturn, I don’t know what to tell you. For anyone paying attention, SK’s nemesis (Parker) is trying to keep his airline as staffed as possible, which is the worst case scenario for SK. If there is ONE thing SK wants from this, it is to gain market share on AA. Not to slash our contract, not to get scope, but to be bigger than AA. Most CEOs are self-serving Richards... comes with the territory. Who else wants that kind of stress, except insecure, power-hungry, ego-maniacs? But they definitely have different objectives, so why not use this to the advantage of the junior pilots would otherwise be on the street?

obviously our interests’ are not aligned with management much of the time, but that also means that SOMETIMES they are. If you have such a knee jerk aversion to anything SK floats, you will invariably miss an opportunity for this airline to thrive.

SlickMachine

Good stuff right there. I laughed out loud when I read that headline. These kunts are so predictable it's funny as hell.

Mudge

Yep. Leave the contract. Give us an LOA for a reduced year at 50 hours. Every 2 takers saves a furloughed pilot. I'd be all over it.

TheSoCalGuy

Did I ever say page 328 was beyond Chapter 1??? I think not. The 'ol playbook is thick.

Last week, LAX/LEC Chair hosted a conference call for all LAX 787 Pilots. During that 90 min call, LEC Chair pointed out a fact that was strangely true. UAL's MEC has more combine BK (airline) experience put together than Scott & Oscar combine. That being said, this "tired rhetoric" via the jist of the article was expected miles back......not the first rodeo for this MEC.

SEDPA

That’s not what SK said today on a CNBC segment from this morning, nor is it what Todd said on the P2P call (you can listen to a recording of that call via the MEC website) earlier this week ... company is looking for unions to agree to less hours, not less pay rates; I’m fine with less hours, but not fine with it mandated via a change to the UPA ... voluntary yes, mandatory no ... we did this in 2008 at CAL and it worked ... needs appropriate guards rails of course ... and yes, my reps know my position ... pass Your’s on to your reps now because the company and the union are talking.

ugleeual

I’m personally against reducing the line guarantee or pay rates.... honestly will vote NO for any modification to the contract. The contract already has provisions to inflict some pain on the company... we don’t need to reopen that Pandora’s box. We’ve seen this act multiple times... We will get screwed again if we give... company will not carry more pilots than they need.