Inkoreausa

You need to reread. DAL indicated they have a 7000 pilot surplus. I have a hunch that initially they will be looking to furlough about 3000. This number could get to 5000 or 6000 if traffic doesn’t rebound. I think United could fare even worse if things don’t pick up.

cadetdrivr

Drama much?

Eariler this week DAL said:

"Based on current capacity expectations for this Fall, we will be overstaffed by more than 7,000 pilots. I recognize that is an alarming number so it's important to know that our intent is to align staffing for what we need over the long term. By the third quarter 2021, we will have between 2,500 and 3,500 pilots more than needed to fly the schedule. That accounts for the pilots who will reach mandatory retirement age between now and next summer. "

DAL's actual displacement today has about 2500 "extra" pilots on it. Shocking.

And yes, every airline we know will go out of business if the industry is running at 5% of capacity next summer.

Aquaticus

You are getting closer to what they said. Does your hunch come from them saying that they are overstaffed by 2500-3500 in fall 21? 7000 is a short term number that doesn't mean jack but you knew that or should have before you posted they were "furloughing 7000." Go away

domino

stop doing my job.

JetBlast77

I’m not sure if my math is right, but if United is planning a 30% reduction across the board, that would put us around 7500 active pilots (9500 total). The displacement bid shows 11438 total active as of the day the bid came out. 30% of that would be 3431 (active) pilots. There are 340ish pilots retiring between now and May 2021. That brings it down to 3091. In the bottom 3500, there are approx 450 inactive pilots. So to furlough 3091 active pilots, you would have to furlough the bottom 3541 pilots by May 2021 to get to the 30% mark. That’s my math in public. Someone feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. I really hope it doesn’t go that deep!

O2pilot

You have to add back in all the management pilots and PIs. This also doesn’t count pilots on LTA, so if we go down to 7,500 pilots maybe 800 of them are on some kind of absence so now we are short. Everyone’s “math in public” is over counting possible furloughs.

JetBlast77

I took out all non active pilots. Are those pilots counted in the “active” numbers in the displacement bid? I didn’t think they were. Only 11,438 showing active and that’s what I based the numbers on 🤷‍♂️

Probe

I think I read yesterday Air Canada is laying off "half" of staff.

BMEP100

....according to F/A crew resources

United Airlines warns of fall coronavirus job losses as need for flight attendants plummets

United told staff it needs only 3,000 of its 25,000 flight attendants in June

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United Airlines announced that it needs only 3,000 of its 25,000 flight attendants in June as the coronavirus outbreak continues to crush demand for air travel, according to Reuters.

The airline giant warned of job cuts in the fall if demand does not pick up.

The CARES Act has allocated $5 billion in federal loans and grants to United, which the airline will use to pay workers until Sept. 30. As a condition of the aid, the airline may not lay employees off or reduce their pay until that date.
Ticker Security Last Change Change % UAL UNITED AIRLINES HLDG. 19.92 -0.38 -1.87%While air travel is down around 90 percent, the Chicago-based airline is among the fleet of other major carriers that are scrambling to minimize a collective $10 billion monthly cash burn.

SOUTHWEST CEO: RADICAL RESTRUCTURING COMING IF DEMAND DOESN'T IMPROVE BY SEPT. 30

Southwest CEO Gary Kelly told FOX Business Thursday he will have to "radically restructure" the airline if travel demand does not improve dramatically by the fall.
Ticker Security Last Change Change % LUV SOUTHWEST AIRLINES CO. 23.87 -0.91 -3.67% AAL AMERICAN AIRLINES GROUP INC. 9.04 -0.11 -1.20% DAL DELTA AIR LINES INC. 19.19 -0.19 -0.98%"We've got $14 billion in cash, you can do the quick math in your head," Kelly told FOX Business' "Mornings With Maria." "Things have to improve here quickly or we run out of money, and if they don't improve after Sept. 30, we would have to radically restructure not just Southwest Airlines but the whole industry."

GOVERNMENT WARNS AIRLINES ON REFUNDS, ALLOWS 5% OF FLIGHTS TO HALT

Airlines have been forced to cancel so many flights that the need for onboard staff has plunged.
A traveler walks through the security line at the Salt Lake City International Airport March 25, 2020, in Salt Lake City. (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer)

"If you just look at a way in which our network is flying we'd need about 3,000 flight attendants to fly our schedule for June," United's managing director of inflight crew resourcing, Michael Sasse told staff last week on an employee briefing call, according to Reuters.

Sasse added that United does not want to make any cuts that are not needed and that the airline will try to get a better picture of demand as the situation evolves.

Delta Air Lines told its 14,500 pilots on Thursday that it expects to have 7,000 more than it needs in the fall, according to a memo first reported by Reuters.
FILE - In this April 21, 2020, file photo, a lone person works at the Delta airlines check-in desk at McCarran International airport in Las Vegas. (AP Photo/John Locher, File)

U.S. airlines are spending more than $10 billion per month during COVID-19, even though most flights are averaging only a dozen customers and 50 percent of the active U.S. fleet has been grounded, industry trade group Airlines for America told Reuters. United currently has a burn rate of $40 million a day, signaling the need for drastic rearrangements in order to halve the amount in the fourth quarter, United President, Scott Kirby, said.

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U.S. airlines have already made preemptive recommendations, including asking employees to voluntarily take unpaid leave or early retirement, in order to lessen the long-term damage. A union memo discloses that United is expected to announce voluntary separation options available for flight attendants later this month.

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United did not respond to a request for comment.

Itsajob

The nice thing about our jobs is that we are only qualified on one plane. When you’re qualified on everything like they are, furloughs don’t create massive time consuming and expensive training cycles. The company will be able to cut deep into their list this fall. I’d guess that a bunch of senior mamas will quit before they go back to the domestic grind.