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Old 05-04-2020, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MagooFlew
It seems so cryptic the way it came out, especially when passed along by the uninformed. They may also be sending a message to the govt iso more round 2 $, don’t you think? I’d give them credit for wanting to work that lever hard rather than wanting to drop manpower (perhaps) prematurely. They still have to play the odds on being competitively positioned for a recovery wIthout a training/re-hire bottleneck in the way. If/when demand comes back, it’ll be a race to grab market share and revenue quickly to offset losses&debt and keep the banks happy.
I'm hoping that's part of his plan. Because if his true plan is to slash employees/costs as quickly as he can to try to show a 4th quarter profit, then he's not seeing the forest through the trees in regards to the long term. That is my fear. Trying to make a name for himself right off the bat as some sort of savior to the shareholders where he can show a short term profit due to massive cuts. United has had enough terrible management in the past with that mindset.

CORE4 and any goodwill has already been trashed though by his actions.
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Old 05-04-2020, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by UAL97
I'm hoping that's part of his plan. Because if his true plan is to slash employees/costs as quickly as he can to try to show a 4th quarter profit, then he's not seeing the forest through the trees in regards to the long term. That is my fear. Trying to make a name for himself right off the bat as some sort of savior to the shareholders where he can show a short term profit due to massive cuts. United has had enough terrible management in the past with that mindset.

CORE4 and any goodwill has already been trashed though by his actions.
yeah I think CORE 4 is officially dead. I’m pretty sick of hearing about it at this point attached to lay-off emails.
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Old 05-04-2020, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by masterofpuppets
yeah i think core 4 is officially dead. I’m pretty sick of hearing about it at this point attached to lay-off emails.
Core FOUR becomes core FEAR

The real winners here are whatever consulting firm or image agency they paid tens of millions of dollars to to come up with the whole thing. Same people who came up with TED?
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Old 05-04-2020, 08:23 PM
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CORE 4 was major major talking point at recent job fair. "Joining a family" etc. "United's huge wide body fleet sets us apart". "XXXX flights to Asia daily" "we take care of each other, we are United"

etc. etc.
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Old 05-04-2020, 08:36 PM
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Old 05-04-2020, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by UAL97
I'm hoping that's part of his plan. Because if his true plan is to slash employees/costs as quickly as he can to try to show a 4th quarter profit, then he's not seeing the forest through the trees in regards to the long term. That is my fear. Trying to make a name for himself right off the bat as some sort of savior to the shareholders where he can show a short term profit due to massive cuts. United has had enough terrible management in the past with that mindset.

CORE4 and any goodwill has already been trashed though by his actions.
it seemed to me (and this is second hand), more like they were trying to reassure the financial crowd that they were willing and prepared to make cuts as necessary to stay ahead of solvency concerns. Hopefully the internal messaging is more part of that display than a foregone conclusion at this point. And I don’t see how anyone could expect to see profit by Q4 though, and that’s the last thing they’d want the govt to consider at this point.
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Old 05-04-2020, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Oletimer
Your darn right.

no quarter. Nothing gets waived. May and must.... what’s the difference? Will and shall?

we gotta fight for every single comma in that contract. It’s nothing personal, just business.

the stronger our enforcement the sooner the furloughs are back and the more leverage the union has in the next contract.
I'm about a grand above the bottom of the list. Already working on a job for the next few years of my life as I'm 99.999999% certain I'll be furloughed Oct. 1st. I'm a solid NO vote on any concessions that are sent our way. I expect to be on the street for some time, I love my job and career and I don't want to crater the long term future of that when demand returns.

BTW... Anybody in the market for a boat???

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Old 05-05-2020, 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by bababouey
Yep, I really think Southwest is the only one who wont need to file, they have an opportunity on the other side of this to own the domestic market for years.
In the interest of transparency do you work for Southwest?
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
AA, TWA, or airways?
That was my question ... I thought it was the Tway guys and gals.
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Old 05-05-2020, 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Tilem
In the interest of transparency do you work for Southwest?
SWA is burning roughly 1B/month with over 15B of liquidity without taking any extra money from the government or private market. Add in the fact that they predominately fly domestic.... I don’t think you need to work at SWA to believe that they’ll get through this pandemic in pretty good shape.
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