MasterOfPuppets

what is it you want to change?

overqualified52

what is happening is bad of course and certainly bad for anyone out of a job , but there isn’t a comparison to the Great Depression as the population of America was probably less than 75 million in 1929 and so the stock market collapse and everything associated was much more devastating . Plus the GDP and banking system was much less . There just is no comparing that . It’s like comparing the Grand Canyon to New River Gorge . But the Media loves Fear and Alienation . That’s how they make money and push their political Agenda .

APC225

“It’s a recession when your neighbor loses his job; it’s a depression when you lose your own.” — Harry S. Truman

whaler

For the simple I think we should have unlimited recall rights.

oldmako

Ah yes. The agenda being pushed by Fox and OAN is astonishing. Deep State indeed.

CaptainDooley

It is anyone's guess right now how bad this current situation will hit all the airlines.

However, you can learn something from the past.


When 911 happened I was a new hire at United and 44 from the bottom.

Those of us at the bottom knew we would be furloughed, because traffic dropped drastically

The first thing that the Company did was ground all the 727's because they were in the process of being phased out anyway.

Well that was about 80 airplanes. If you reduce your fleet by 80 airplanes and even if your loads stay the same ( they will not), well you don't need the pilots you had to fly those 80 airplanes.

So the first furlough was 844 on Oct 15, 2001. Pretty close to the staffing for 80 airplanes


For those of you that did not live through it, what happen next was a giant .displacement bid. I was already on the street but from what I remember there were 3 different bids before it all settled out.

Then came more furloughs as they got a handle on what traffic levels would be and what the total number of airplanes in the fleet were left. The did the furloughs in phases, but in the end 2172 were furloughed out of about 11,000. It went 5 years into the seniority list.


So you don't know what the numbers will be today, but you can bet the process will be similar. If I was there today I would be looking at how many airplanes are being grounded.The staffing level of those airplanes will be close to the first furlough.


I know what those of you near the bottom are feeling, ( I also went though the Aloha BK several years later.)

After the shock wears off, start thinking about what you will do. You are a little fortunate that you have til Sept before anything can happen because of the restrictions of the relief money. So it gives you some times to make plans. I know that is not much consolation, but trust me it is better than landing in Hawaii and finding out your Company is shutting down the next day, ( yes that really happened)

Huell

Why stop now? The gubberment got the 'ole money printer running wide open ... hard to slow that sucker down

Knotcher

Sounds good but not very practical:

1) If people are involuntarily furloughed for 10 years the airline is forked anyway
2) Typical furlough 2-3 years..people who want to bypass for more than 10 years need to $hit or get off the pot. You either want to work here or you don't.

Laminar

u never went back...if so, how long did it take u to recall

nice write btw

Huell

What happened and when did it happen? ... I thought all pilots loved fOX ... Hail, I had to go out and buy a remote so I could keep switching the channel in the crew lounge when another swinging Richard would come in and change it back to fOX .... 'Don't know why it's doing that ... been doing that all day'