MasterOfPuppets

look y’all need to ease up on Baseball a little. He is correct more than a lot of you know. Training is going to be very difficult for a lot of people. A huge amount of our pilots haven’t been through a Qual course in a decade plus. Many won’t be able to get the system of the 737 figured out because of lack of EICAS, others have never seen an Airbus. The pilots that will be sticking around haven’t thought about a new airplane and how to study in a very long time.

this will cause additional strain on the training department due to retrains and validation failures. It will put a strain on IOE as some may need more trips.

I know I painted with a broad brush and Iv seen many 60+ rockstars come through Qual Training. But the struggle will be real for these pilots. Just like our junior our stressed about furlough the pilots that will be staying could be stressed about training. I’m not one for safe spaces and hugs but we shouldn’t tell them to suck it up just because we will be on furlough.

Inkoreausa

I don’t think it’s just the bottom of the list at risk here. If common sense fails to return to the decision making process and we don’t open up the ENTIRE economy FAST.....all our positions are at stake. THIS AMOUNTS TO SHUTTING DOWN THE ENTIRE ECONOMY OVER THE FLU....totally nuts. If sanity doesn’t return QUICKLY then there’s not going to be a bailout large enough to fix the problems.

BunkerF16

I'm sure he didn't mean any harm but it's amazingly tone deaf to talk about how difficult training might be when your audience contains thousands of pilots who may be out of a job in less than 5 months. If you're 60 and you're afraid you may struggle in training, maybe push your MEC to have the company offer early retirement to younger pilots. Saves old dudes from scary training events and saves more junior guys from hitting the streets. Win win.

McNugent

Sorry man, I have to disagree. Someone’s perceived difficulty because, heaven forbid they have to learn a new airplane, pales in comparison to one losing their income to feed their family. If your cognitive abilities can’t afford you learning something new, maybe it’s just time to call it a career. Or, at least keep your concerns to yourself.

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There was a guy at my airline who took the early retirement from DAL back in the day (07/08?). He had been a 767 captain for years and was a boeing guy his whole career. In his retirement he worked a couple management jobs at another airline and wasn’t flying. He came in as management at my airline and finally went to airbus qual training after several months doing his mgmt job, washed out fairly early into training, and just went back to his mgmt job. I think he was around 61 or 62. As I said, he hadn’t flown in years so that may have played into it, but he couldn’t grasp the airbus, mostly because it was a new box, new procedures, and different automation than he was used to.

So, I can understand the apprehension, especially for someone in their late 50s/60s, where cognitive decline and memory issues have likely begun. That said, the bus is the easiest plane I’ve ever flown once you learn the basics of it and get used to it. Finally, I’d much rather be in the position of having to learn a new plane in older age than be facing the streets, and I’d keep my training concerns articulated in a manner that couldn't be construed into a woe is me type of comparison.

Anyway, good luck to all, whether that’s the streets or the sims. This is good for nobody, and I don’t think anyone meant to take away from the severity of the situation with their own world of potential stress on their mind, even if it came off that way.

The stillest

if you do a quick search on his posts, unfortunately, it’s all too real

82spukram

So believe it or not baseball is your friend. The LONGER his training the LONGER it is until they can furlough someone. It’s not about him it’s if everyone has a “hard” time learning a new fleet instead of just jumping the trash bag with a quick 3 day check out then they can’t furlough as quickly.

baseball the bus is hard.....take all the extra sims, training events, and of course time off to adjust to the bus. Encourage your friends to do the same. I do not want you to be unsafe when you hit the line.

thanks

LUVPLANES

The problem is management is not looking at taking the conventional approach of training first then furloughing after. They want to preserve as much capital, so I was told to expect 3-4000 out the door Oct 1st with notices going out in July. They don’t want to offer early out because some guys would rather retire than going back to a narrow body (management logic). They don’t want to carry extra bodies on property because they fear it will run them lean on cash in the long run. That’s their plan for now, hopefully the blow will be softened a little by October.

Nucflash

I’m actually hoping to be his training partner on the bus when I get bumped out of the guppy left seat. He’ll be running the show and I can obviously only exercise so much CRM before the IE will start tapping me on the shoulder. If it takes some (several) extra FTD and sim sessions to get safe then oh well....I’m a patient man... 🤷🏻‍♂️

As far as how to work an ipad.....apple.com.....start there.....I don’t give ipad lessons, either.....

Oletimer

We've all got to be patient with one another. Lots of folks under considerable stress right now.

My message to the junior folks.

I know you're hurting and so are your friends and co workers and your families. For those who thought this was their dream job when they got hired and were doing back-flips; just remember this "dream" can sometimes be nightmarish. How many of us here today lived through de-regulation, strikes, crawl-backs, scabbing, the drought of the 90's, the doom of post 9-11 and now this? The only thing that seems to be constant is "turmoil and economic implosion" . It just seems to happen about every 15 years or so. For the young folks who have time to make it up, go out and get diversified. get more knowledge and training in other areas and don't pigeon-hole yourself into being a slave of UAL. Get some skills, maintain them, and keep something else going to supplement your income. UAL is simply your employer. Just like McDonalds, etc. Sometimes the dream job we thought we had is a bad dream and when the poo-poo hits the fan we are only as strong as our management is talented.

My message to senior people.

Remember what it was like when you got furloughed or down-sized out of a job. Hold management accountable and do your job and go home. Don't take this crap home with you. Get ready for and prepare for retirement. Likely this was your last contract if you were five years or less to go.