LeeFXDWG

No worries It also reflects any retirements, etc that have occurred since the last update.

Displacement bidding is done via a different screen but this is a good snapshot of where a pilot stood at the time of the update.

Happened prior to the ORD 777 displacement which was the most recent as well.

Lee

pilotgolfer

You think they drop this on us tomorrow? You know....so we all have a great weekend! 😂

SlickMachine

That's exactly what they'll do. Sh!tbirds.

guppie

The Vacancy bidding screen is updated, but the Displacement screen is still locked. So maybe they'll come out with a new vacancy bid tomorrow? The last one was in January, for f's sake!! I jest, but there could be a WB captain vacancy. I imagine the retirements have been hitting their ranks hard.

O2pilot

That would be stupid to have a WB vacancy, when they are going to close a bunch of 756 Categories, since most of the Captains can hold 777 or 787 and many might just displace into those categories.

duvie

meh... anyone who goes voluntarily doesn’t get a paid move, PS commuting (relevant again someday), etc. You could just open up all the categories you want people to go to… Then shave off the bottom. Also freezes a lot of people from jumping around

O2pilot

Literally ZERO pilots would actually take a bid, when they know their category is likely getting closed or reduced. Why even risk it? Not to mention that it means the displacement bid would have to be put off, and I can’t imagine that happening. I’d be shocked if we didn’t find out tomorrow.

guppie

If the 756 Capts want to hold out for a bump, I'll take one of those WB bids that literally ZERO pilots would take. LOL $$$

HuggyU2

Do you want accurate information now? Or would you prefer they delay getting it to us?

HiPlaneDrifter

My take on this...

I’m a 2172 guy. This comes from a 9/11 perspective.

No one knows how this will play out. Not you, not me, not management. It’s a guess. Do you go optimistic or pessimistic ? After 9/11 we had a series of 2-3 furloughs over 1.5yrs reaching 2172. I was one of the latter furloughs and saw the writing on the wall. Luckily I was still in the USAF Reserve and began working a job about 3 months prior to furlough to go back on active duty. Not what I wanted to do, but what I felt I had to do. When I did that I was able to get a flying job. About a month later those jobs were gone and only non-flying jobs were left. During that timeframe I sat reserve as I’d done for the previous 2.5yrs and flew over 90 hours my last month on reserve because everyone else was using their sick leave. At the time I thought I’d want that sick leave when I came back. About 8 or 9 years into furlough, I was thinking I’d made a mistake in that thought process, but...it was a pride thing...and I was glad to get it back when I came back. I came close to leaving active duty when United called us back around 2006...but luckily I decided to stay in the USAF. It’s funny since I’ve been back, but I can’t tell you how many guys say, “We’ll, it’s lucky you had the military to fall back on.” There was no guarantee! No guarantee they’d take me back...no guarantee I’d be flying...no guarantee I’d be able to reach retirement. I did what I needed to do to take care of the wife and kids.

For you new guys...what to expect.....

First..again, going off my experience....I start with, “Is this worse than 9/11?” I believe it could be. Next, “What manning level is required?” We don’t really know. We want to be able to ramp back up when the market returns. On 9/11 people were afraid to fly because of terrorists. Now, people either won’t have the money to fly, or are afraid to fly because of getting sick. How long will it last...don’t know...6 months..a year? Will we get a second round of Covid next year? Too many unknowns. What manning level will meet United’s needs? 8000-10000? We don’t know.

Here’s my take. If you are in the bottom 2000, look out for yourself and your family. Use this reprieve to Oct 1 to find other opportunities with the knowledge that if you jump too late, those opportunities may not be there. In 2003 when I was furloughed we had a “desk drawer” agreement that if we took other jobs, we would still be recalled. To my knowledge that “agreement” was upheld. I’ll be honest...and I’m not being negative so don’t take it that way...I’m 20yrs hire date with the company and with post merger/seniority integration, I don’t consider myself “safe” from a 3rd furlough. ALPA and management will do what they do.

I laugh when I’ve seen posts on here about pilots not picking up open time while others are on furlough. I was furloughed for 10 yrs. Do I really think that no pilot picked up open time for me?

It’s expensive to park fleets/furlough/bump/displace/retrain. I do have faith that management and ALPA are working an incredibly difficult problem to the best of their ability. That doesn’t mean it will work out in your favor.

Stay calm, weigh your options, take care of yourselves and your family.

My 2 cents...not trying to scare anyone..God bless.