ugleeual

herd immunity is going to be the fastest method for this virus to run its course In the US. Segmented state by state quarantine is only extending the time... which unfortunately is the plan to ruin the economy.

Nacho Libre

This may be a viable option IF none of the vaccines are effective. IF we do get a useable vaccine, then the LET IT RIP model will ultimately have cost the country significantly more than slowing the spread until that time. This is an opinion. I will happily admit that I am wrong if/when the time comes.

JetBlast77

The question is: IF we get a viable vaccine, will it reduce the cases/deaths to flu-like levels? Will that be enough to give the American public confidence to return to “normal”? I’m not so sure. Right now everyone appears to be programmed to freak out when they hear about one single case. The media certainly does. Can you imagine if they reported every case of a cold, the flu, a fever, ect? I’m not convinced a vaccine is going to calm everyone down. This thing already has multiple strands and a vaccine will only cover one or two of the many.

PT6A67B

This is utter insanity. There are two mitigating strategies that work with this virus: social distancing and wearing masks. That’s it. That’s how other countries have suppressed the virus and begun to reopen their economies. Achieving herd immunity before we have a vaccine would be too devastating to consider as a possibility.
People keep saying “the virus only has a 1% mortality rate”. That neglects the law of large numbers. It also assumes that only one of two things happen: you die or you’re 100% healthy. The U.S. has a population of 328.2 million (approx.). If 1% of the population dies, that’s roughly 3.28 million people dead. 3 million people dead would monkey wrench the economy no matter what. That more than doubles the number of annual deaths per year all at once. The second bit is people only talk about deaths. Also, and this is important, for ever 1 person who dies, roughly:
- 19 more require Hospitalization.
- 18 will have Permanent Heart Damage for the rest of their lives.
- 10 will have Permanent Lung Damage.
- 3 will have Strokes...
- 2 will have Neurological Damage that leads to Chronic Weakness and Loss of Coordination.
- 2 will have Neurological Damage that Leads to Cognitive Function.
This all adds up to:
- 3,282,000 People dead.
- 63,358,000 Hospitalized.
- 59,076,000 People w/ Permanent Lung Damage.
- 32,820,000 People w/ Permanent Heart Damage.
- 9,846,000 People w/ Strokes...
- 6,564,000 People w/ Muscle Weakness.
- 6,564,000 People w/ Loss of Cognitive Function.
The choice is not, “ruin the economy to save 1%.” If we reopen the economy, IT WILL BE DESTROYED ANYWAY! The U.S. economy cannot survive with everyone getting COVID-19.
This isn’t a media problem. This isn’t a political problem. This isn’t a public hysteria problem. This is a pandemic, and we know how to suppress it. We have a blueprint, laid out by other countries that have successfully suppressed the virus.
As has been said, there are many issues that a vaccine won’t help with: different strains, mutations, public confidence, anti-vaxers etc. What will help? Those two mitigation strategies that other countries have used to suppress the virus to the point that they have started to reopen their economies.
Wear your mask. Tell others to wear their mask. Socially distance yourself. Tell others to socially distance. Listen to the CDC and experts in epidemiology. And hope we start getting this advice from the federal government.

Nacho Libre

Unfortunately the faster the spread, the higher number of mutated virus strains. IF a vaccine works partially, like the flu vaccine, it is LIKELY that bookings will dramatically increase. Hopefully capping the furlough numbers, and starting the recall process.

Obviously there are people that are afraid, some are cautious, and some don’t really think it’s a big deal. Returning to “normal” without a vaccine will likely be much more of a long term struggle. Again the question is how likely is a vaccine, and how effective it is all determine what action should be taken. To that question I have no answer. However those working on a vaccine seem to think that there is evidence to suggest that one or more might be viable. The percentage of people that trust the scientific community has been dwindling and the level of contrasting information plentiful. We all want and need the most expeditions way through this mess most of us agree on that, but may disagree on the way to reach that point.

Furlough numbers unfortunately at this time will likely be tied to CASES. The more cases, and hospitalizations, means confidence decreases among our paying passengers and bookings decrease. Obviously not good for the industry and not good for number of pilots being furloughed.

ugleeual

insanity is the closures, reopening, and closures. The WHO/CDC already have said publicly that this can’t be contained. Lock everyone up for a year, two... that’s insanity.

Huell

The insanity is that we have no leadership at the top.

ugleeual

We live in a constitutional republic... the governors of the 50 states have the responsibility to determine and implement what actions will be taken to control a pandemic... not the federal government. The Federal guidelines that were published can be adopted, ignored, and/or modified based on their specific situation.

If you want to point fingers google state governors.

rocket65

Definitely no leadership, just scorched earth approach at the state and city l level i.e., New York, Michigan, Illinois and California to name a few.

Nacho Libre

This ^^^

Look at the approach that New Zealand took VS the US.