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07-11-2020, 05:12 AM
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Lacking COVID19, he only place that "Trillions and trillions" would've gone is into the coffers or financial institutions and the pockets of the top .1%. You're delusional if you think it would've been spent of healthcare or any other social programs.
07-11-2020, 05:17 AM
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And as a group we're supposedly of above average in intelligence and our ability to make analyze information to make quick, effective decisions. This thread shows the opposite. It's quite embarrassing to be honest.
07-11-2020, 05:26 AM
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We wouldn’t be throwing nearly as much money at healthcare if our obesity rate was similar to that of Japan for example. Instead, eat large get large and complain about being screwed by the airlines for the size of the seat.
07-11-2020, 10:48 AM
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Uhhh, isn't the right/the president complaining about twitter and wanting to boycott twitter for fact checking a false trump tweet? Sorry dude, I don't see it. It's both sides.
As for leading causes of death, well.. in April, Covid-19 was up there.
https://usafacts.org/articles/top-ca...-and-covid-19/
A lot of the other causes of death aren't as easily preventable though as "wear a mask and limit exposure to other people". I mean, cancer is certainly up there, but it's not easy to just cure cancer, obviously.
As for leading causes of death, well.. in April, Covid-19 was up there.
https://usafacts.org/articles/top-ca...-and-covid-19/
A lot of the other causes of death aren't as easily preventable though as "wear a mask and limit exposure to other people". I mean, cancer is certainly up there, but it's not easy to just cure cancer, obviously.
Yeah, nowadays it’s strictly the Left. The president gets his posts flagged yet not the ayatollah’s antisemitic genocidal tweets. In fact, twitter had to retract part of the fact check about mail in ballots. Yet they still got it wrong anyway in that that same day, for example, someone was arrested for ballot fraud. This cancelling has been going on for years. Ben Shapiro and Ann Coulter have been cancelled in the past for trying to give speeches on certain campuses. Even those who lean left are getting cancelled now. The NYT opinion editor got cancelled (fired) for simply publishing a US Senator’s op-Ed. Maybe for people who lean left, cancel culture is like a fish swimming in water? You don’t know you’re in the middle of it until you are removed from the water (cancelled)?
As for repointing other causes of deaths, including those it’s hard to prevent like COVID, that’s the point. Show the causes. People can ascertain which are easy to prevent and which ones are not. The whole point is that more information in order to give full context is better than just reporting the daily positive count of one relatively easy disease to prevent.
This whole discussion was to try to give people more information so that they can make a more informed decision on whether to fly. Right now, they mostly get one data point and it’s not helping.
07-11-2020, 10:53 AM
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Because you're wrong!
The rates are going up in a lot of states.
https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/index.html#cases
The rates are going up in a lot of states.
https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/index.html#cases
Maybe I am wrong. But I couldn’t find anywhere on that site that stated the positivity rate and the rate of change of it.
This is also a big country. COVID seems to be regional. If you compare the death rate per one million people in the states of NY, CT, NJ (the states with travel restrictions) versus those of FL, TX, and AZ, it’s very interesting to see the actual surge. All this information needs to be readily available to everyone.
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07-11-2020, 10:57 AM
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Yeah, nowadays it’s strictly the Left. The president gets his posts flagged yet not the ayatollah’s antisemitic genocidal tweets. In fact, twitter had to retract part of the fact check about mail in ballots. Yet they still got it wrong anyway in that that same day, for example, someone was arrested for ballot fraud. This cancelling has been going on for years. Ben Shapiro and Ann Coulter have been cancelled in the past for trying to give speeches on certain campuses. Even those who lean left are getting cancelled now. The NYT opinion editor got cancelled (fired) for simply publishing a US Senator’s op-Ed. Maybe for people who lean left, cancel culture is like a fish swimming in water? You don’t know you’re in the middle of it until you are removed from the water (cancelled)?
As for repointing other causes of deaths, including those it’s hard to prevent like COVID, that’s the point. Show the causes. People can ascertain which are easy to prevent and which ones are not. The whole point is that more information in order to give full context is better than just reporting the daily positive count of one relatively easy disease to prevent.
This whole discussion was to try to give people more information so that they can make a more informed decision on whether to fly. Right now, they mostly get one data point and it’s not helping.
As for repointing other causes of deaths, including those it’s hard to prevent like COVID, that’s the point. Show the causes. People can ascertain which are easy to prevent and which ones are not. The whole point is that more information in order to give full context is better than just reporting the daily positive count of one relatively easy disease to prevent.
This whole discussion was to try to give people more information so that they can make a more informed decision on whether to fly. Right now, they mostly get one data point and it’s not helping.
Dude, cancel culture is the right's latest hashtag for something they've been doing for just as long. "I don't like speech that doesn't agree with mine!" It's just hypocrisy. We all have free speech (in public only, private businesses can do what they want.) And we're all accountable for the consequences of that speech.
The case fatality rate is going down, not up. The hysteria rate is maintained at a high level regardless.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/coronavirus-cfr
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/coronavirus-cfr
07-11-2020, 11:15 AM
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https://www.sacurrent.com/the-daily/...lencing-speech
Dude, cancel culture is the right's latest hashtag for something they've been doing for just as long. "I don't like speech that doesn't agree with mine!" It's just hypocrisy. We all have free speech (in public only, private businesses can do what they want.) And we're all accountable for the consequences of that speech.
Thing is, when hospitals are hugely overcrowded and full, the CFR is going to go up. When there's one covid case in a 200 patient hospital that's plenty empty, that person is going to get better care. It is the sad reality of triage and logistics. Comparisons to early CFR should be done with caution given that it was very hard to actually get a test in April compared to now, so you should expect to naturally see the CFR drop off now that testing is more widely available although we're still missing plenty of asymptomatic cases particularly amongst the young. But CFR can naturally also be expected to go back up in outbreak zones where they have limited resources, such as in AZ or TX.
Dude, cancel culture is the right's latest hashtag for something they've been doing for just as long. "I don't like speech that doesn't agree with mine!" It's just hypocrisy. We all have free speech (in public only, private businesses can do what they want.) And we're all accountable for the consequences of that speech.
Thing is, when hospitals are hugely overcrowded and full, the CFR is going to go up. When there's one covid case in a 200 patient hospital that's plenty empty, that person is going to get better care. It is the sad reality of triage and logistics. Comparisons to early CFR should be done with caution given that it was very hard to actually get a test in April compared to now, so you should expect to naturally see the CFR drop off now that testing is more widely available although we're still missing plenty of asymptomatic cases particularly amongst the young. But CFR can naturally also be expected to go back up in outbreak zones where they have limited resources, such as in AZ or TX.
The Right never tried to get people fired, or sponsors to drop a company or people kicked off campus, or business closed for simply having differing ideas. This is a thing strictly of the Left now. And I’m not referring to public versus private spaces. I’m talking about all spaces, real and virtual (not a free speech argument). I’m not saying it’s illegal. I shouldn’t even characterize it as just differing ideas. JK Rowling gets cancelled for tweeting the phrase “people who menstruate.” On another forum I was banned for saying I don’t agree with the BLM 501c3 organization, just the grass roots movement. People are getting cancelled for saying All Black Lives Matter. If you tweet something like, there is only one race the human race, or there are only two sexes, they will try to cancel you. I’m referring to people in the public eye, not us mortals. This is happening all the time now and it’s all from the Left. I don’t know how many more examples if I have to give before one believes it’s happening.
As for COVID, yes, more testing means death rate goes down. That’s my point though. They only report daily case numbers that naturally go up if there is more testing. But they don’t as readily report the death rate and very rarely report the positivity rate, nor any demographics. I believe that if people knew all that information, they would be more inclined to travel.
07-11-2020, 11:45 AM
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Never? I know of a whole bunch of conservative dudes who wanted the whole NFL boycotted until Kapernick was dealt with.
07-11-2020, 12:54 PM
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Kapernick was trying to protest on company time. Make a politically incensed rant over the PA and see how long until the HR helicopters descend upon you. Protesting is an individual right, but you can't do it on company time.
07-11-2020, 12:54 PM
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Yeah, dude already has his mind made up despite any evidence that proves to the contrary. "cancel culture" is both sides and it's nothing new. I'm not even a democrat. I've watched both sides do it. Just google "one million moms" boycott and there's like a billion things they've tried to boycott. Target, a hallmark ad, whatever.
August 2012: Trump says Black journalist Touré, then a co-host of the MSNBC show "The Cycle," should be "forced to resign" for comments in which Touré uttered a variant of the N-word while arguing that Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney was using racially coded language to try to make President Barack Obama seem frightening. (Touré had apologized before Trump's demand.)
November 2012: Trump suggests the firing of then-MSNBC host Chris Matthews for saying, on the night of Obama's victory, that he was "so glad" Hurricane Sandy had occurred, because of its political impact. (Matthews had apologized before Trump's suggestion.)
December 2012: Trump calls for the firing of Vanity Fair magazine Editor Graydon Carter, with whom he had feuded for years, over what he declares the magazine's "worst ever issue."
December 2012: Trump says "Scots should boycott Glenfiddich garbage" because the whisky brand selected Michael Forbes, a farmer who refused to sell his land to make way for a Trump golf course, as "Top Scot" of the year.
March 2013: Trump says, "Everyone should cancel HBO until they fire low life dummy Bill Maher! Get going now and feel good about yourself!"
July 2013: Trump asks people to "boycott & cancel subscriptions" to Rolling Stone magazine because of a cover featuring Boston Marathon terrorist Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.
October 2013: Trump urges "everybody possible" to "cancel their subscription" to New York Magazine over an insulting tweet about Trump's marriage from Dan Amira, who was online editor at the time.
March 2014: After Trump is left off a CNBC list of the most influential business leaders, he says, "Stupid poll should be canceled—no credibility."
May 2014: Trump calls for the firing of, or at least an apology from, the person at The Oklahoman newspaper who wrote a headline calling then-Oklahoma City Thunder NBA star Kevin Durant "Mr. Unreliable." (The newspaper had already apologized.)
June 2014: Trump says people should "Boycott Mexico" until a Marine reservist who was jailed for crossing the border with loaded guns is released from prison. (He was released later in the year.)
April 2015: Trump suggests that conservative writer Jonah Goldberg, then a senior editor of National Review magazine, should be forced to resign for writing that Trump had been "tweeting like a 14-year-old girl" in response to another conservative writer calling Trump a clown. Trump also suggests Fox News anchor Bret Baier should stop having Goldberg on his show.
June 2015: When Spanish-language television network Univision severed its business relationship with Trump after his campaign launch speech, in which he labeled Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists, Trump tweets, "Anyone who wants strong borders and good trade deals for the US should boycott @Univision."
July 2015: Trump calls for a boycott of Macy's after Macy's discontinued its business dealings with him over those same comments about people from Mexico. Trump also tweets "Great" when someone tells him that people are canceling their Macy's credit cards.
August 2015: Trump calls for the firing of the late conservative writer and Fox News commentator Charles Krauthammer, a regular Trump critic.
September 2015: After National Review editor Rich Lowry argued on Fox News that rival Republican candidate Carly Fiorina had "cut off (Trump's) balls with the precision of a surgeon" in a primary debate, Trump says: "Incompetent [MENTION=1255]Rich[/MENTION]Lowry lost it tonight on @FoxNews. He should not be allowed on TV and the FCC should fine him!" (Lowry responds, "I love how Mr. Anti-PC now wants the FCC to fine me. #pathetic.")
December 2015: Trump calls for the firing of then-CBS News journalist Sopan Deb and NBC/MSNBC journalist Katy Tur over reporting he disputed about how he handled protesters during a rally speech.
February 2016: Trump says people should "boycott all Apple products" until the company stops fighting a government request to break into the cell phone of a deceased California terrorist.
February 2016: Trump says Fox News should fire Republican strategist and commentator Karl Rove for being insufficiently positive about his victory in the Nevada caucuses.
February 2016: Trump calls on the Wall Street Journal to fire its editorial board, which had criticized him, and its pollster, which showed results he didn't like.
March 2016: Trump proposes a boycott of Megyn Kelly's Fox News show, complaining that it is too negative toward him.
September 2016: After the Dallas Morning News and Arizona Republic newspapers endorse Hillary Clinton for president and USA Today declares Trump unfit for the office, Trump says, "The people are really smart in cancelling subscriptions to the Dallas & Arizona papers & now USA Today will lose readers! The people get it!"
September 2017: Trump tweets that NFL players and other athletes who don't stand for the National Anthem should be told, "YOU'RE FIRED." He says in another tweet, "Fire or suspend!" And at a rally, he says, "Wouldn't you love to see one of these NFL owners when somebody disrespects our flag to say, 'Get that son of a ***** off the field right now, out, he's fired, he's fired.' "
October 2017: Suggesting he could use the power of the state against media entities he dislikes, Trump muses about challenging the broadcast licenses of NBC and other networks over their news coverage. (He again broached the subject of reviewing NBC's license in September 2018.)
November 2017: Trump calls for a boycott of CNN.
August 2018: Trump tweets, "Many [MENTION=15639]Harley[/MENTION]davidson owners plan to boycott the company if manufacturing moves overseas. Great! Most other companies are coming in our direction, including Harley competitors."
June 2019: Trump suggests people stop "using or subscribing" to AT&T to pressure the company to make changes at CNN, which it owns.
September 2019: Trump suggests that actress Debra Messing should be fired for calling on a news outlet to publish the names of people attending a Trump fundraiser and for a tweet promoting a church sign that said "a black vote for Trump is mental illness." (Messing had apologized for the tweet about the church sign.)
January 2020: Trump says The New York Times should fire columnist Paul Krugman, a winner of the Nobel Prize in economics, for having incorrectly predicted a global recession after Trump's victory in 2016.May 2020: The day after Twitter appended a fact check link to dishonest Trump claims about mail-in voting, Trump threatens to shut down social media companies: "Republicans feel that Social Media Platforms totally silence conservatives voices. We will strongly regulate, or close them down, before we can ever allow this to happen."
May 2020: Trump seeks the firing of Chuck Todd, host of NBC's "Meet the Press," for the show playing a misleadingly shortened clip of comments by Attorney General William Barr. (Todd apologized, saying it was an inadvertent mistake.) Again broaching the power of the state, Trump tags the accounts of the Federal Communications Commission, which regulates television, and its chairman, Ajit Pai.
Your insistence on this point is equivalent to center and approach telling you the airport has dangerous thunderstorms and you're saying nah nah we'll get in, we'll get in, we'd like to continue the approach. Scary quality in a pilot.
August 2012: Trump says Black journalist Touré, then a co-host of the MSNBC show "The Cycle," should be "forced to resign" for comments in which Touré uttered a variant of the N-word while arguing that Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney was using racially coded language to try to make President Barack Obama seem frightening. (Touré had apologized before Trump's demand.)
November 2012: Trump suggests the firing of then-MSNBC host Chris Matthews for saying, on the night of Obama's victory, that he was "so glad" Hurricane Sandy had occurred, because of its political impact. (Matthews had apologized before Trump's suggestion.)
December 2012: Trump calls for the firing of Vanity Fair magazine Editor Graydon Carter, with whom he had feuded for years, over what he declares the magazine's "worst ever issue."
December 2012: Trump says "Scots should boycott Glenfiddich garbage" because the whisky brand selected Michael Forbes, a farmer who refused to sell his land to make way for a Trump golf course, as "Top Scot" of the year.
March 2013: Trump says, "Everyone should cancel HBO until they fire low life dummy Bill Maher! Get going now and feel good about yourself!"
July 2013: Trump asks people to "boycott & cancel subscriptions" to Rolling Stone magazine because of a cover featuring Boston Marathon terrorist Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.
October 2013: Trump urges "everybody possible" to "cancel their subscription" to New York Magazine over an insulting tweet about Trump's marriage from Dan Amira, who was online editor at the time.
March 2014: After Trump is left off a CNBC list of the most influential business leaders, he says, "Stupid poll should be canceled—no credibility."
May 2014: Trump calls for the firing of, or at least an apology from, the person at The Oklahoman newspaper who wrote a headline calling then-Oklahoma City Thunder NBA star Kevin Durant "Mr. Unreliable." (The newspaper had already apologized.)
June 2014: Trump says people should "Boycott Mexico" until a Marine reservist who was jailed for crossing the border with loaded guns is released from prison. (He was released later in the year.)
April 2015: Trump suggests that conservative writer Jonah Goldberg, then a senior editor of National Review magazine, should be forced to resign for writing that Trump had been "tweeting like a 14-year-old girl" in response to another conservative writer calling Trump a clown. Trump also suggests Fox News anchor Bret Baier should stop having Goldberg on his show.
June 2015: When Spanish-language television network Univision severed its business relationship with Trump after his campaign launch speech, in which he labeled Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists, Trump tweets, "Anyone who wants strong borders and good trade deals for the US should boycott @Univision."
July 2015: Trump calls for a boycott of Macy's after Macy's discontinued its business dealings with him over those same comments about people from Mexico. Trump also tweets "Great" when someone tells him that people are canceling their Macy's credit cards.
August 2015: Trump calls for the firing of the late conservative writer and Fox News commentator Charles Krauthammer, a regular Trump critic.
September 2015: After National Review editor Rich Lowry argued on Fox News that rival Republican candidate Carly Fiorina had "cut off (Trump's) balls with the precision of a surgeon" in a primary debate, Trump says: "Incompetent [MENTION=1255]Rich[/MENTION]Lowry lost it tonight on @FoxNews. He should not be allowed on TV and the FCC should fine him!" (Lowry responds, "I love how Mr. Anti-PC now wants the FCC to fine me. #pathetic.")
December 2015: Trump calls for the firing of then-CBS News journalist Sopan Deb and NBC/MSNBC journalist Katy Tur over reporting he disputed about how he handled protesters during a rally speech.
February 2016: Trump says people should "boycott all Apple products" until the company stops fighting a government request to break into the cell phone of a deceased California terrorist.
February 2016: Trump says Fox News should fire Republican strategist and commentator Karl Rove for being insufficiently positive about his victory in the Nevada caucuses.
February 2016: Trump calls on the Wall Street Journal to fire its editorial board, which had criticized him, and its pollster, which showed results he didn't like.
March 2016: Trump proposes a boycott of Megyn Kelly's Fox News show, complaining that it is too negative toward him.
September 2016: After the Dallas Morning News and Arizona Republic newspapers endorse Hillary Clinton for president and USA Today declares Trump unfit for the office, Trump says, "The people are really smart in cancelling subscriptions to the Dallas & Arizona papers & now USA Today will lose readers! The people get it!"
September 2017: Trump tweets that NFL players and other athletes who don't stand for the National Anthem should be told, "YOU'RE FIRED." He says in another tweet, "Fire or suspend!" And at a rally, he says, "Wouldn't you love to see one of these NFL owners when somebody disrespects our flag to say, 'Get that son of a ***** off the field right now, out, he's fired, he's fired.' "
October 2017: Suggesting he could use the power of the state against media entities he dislikes, Trump muses about challenging the broadcast licenses of NBC and other networks over their news coverage. (He again broached the subject of reviewing NBC's license in September 2018.)
November 2017: Trump calls for a boycott of CNN.
August 2018: Trump tweets, "Many [MENTION=15639]Harley[/MENTION]davidson owners plan to boycott the company if manufacturing moves overseas. Great! Most other companies are coming in our direction, including Harley competitors."
June 2019: Trump suggests people stop "using or subscribing" to AT&T to pressure the company to make changes at CNN, which it owns.
September 2019: Trump suggests that actress Debra Messing should be fired for calling on a news outlet to publish the names of people attending a Trump fundraiser and for a tweet promoting a church sign that said "a black vote for Trump is mental illness." (Messing had apologized for the tweet about the church sign.)
January 2020: Trump says The New York Times should fire columnist Paul Krugman, a winner of the Nobel Prize in economics, for having incorrectly predicted a global recession after Trump's victory in 2016.May 2020: The day after Twitter appended a fact check link to dishonest Trump claims about mail-in voting, Trump threatens to shut down social media companies: "Republicans feel that Social Media Platforms totally silence conservatives voices. We will strongly regulate, or close them down, before we can ever allow this to happen."
May 2020: Trump seeks the firing of Chuck Todd, host of NBC's "Meet the Press," for the show playing a misleadingly shortened clip of comments by Attorney General William Barr. (Todd apologized, saying it was an inadvertent mistake.) Again broaching the power of the state, Trump tags the accounts of the Federal Communications Commission, which regulates television, and its chairman, Ajit Pai.
Your insistence on this point is equivalent to center and approach telling you the airport has dangerous thunderstorms and you're saying nah nah we'll get in, we'll get in, we'd like to continue the approach. Scary quality in a pilot.
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