Furlough estimate
07-07-2020, 04:36 AM
#1171
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Also, I realize the term “mind boggling” is relative but the number I was told would be receiving WARN letters was far in excess of any number we been told, up to this point. As I said it was a “worst case“ scenario.
I’d expect letters this week as they only have to give 2300’ish 60 days notice. So the 90 days prior to Oct 1st isn’t as relevant.
Again, we’ll all know soon enough but my personal opinion is that Kirby is using this as his moment to come after us.
07-07-2020, 04:57 AM
#1172
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I personally happen to think that Scott Kirby is a worthy adversary, not your run-of-the-mill Corporate marauder. I think there have been plenty of CEOs who had their ego affronted by the power of our union, there were others who were shortsighted and just wanted to squeeze every ounce of blood from the proverbial stone.
I think Mr. Kirby has much larger designs. Literally. I would say it’s fairly obvious that he is motivated more by our footprint/marketshare then basic margins. Our interests are not exactly aligned by a long stretch, but you guys have to get your glasses fixed.
There are threats out there, but they are different than the last bankruptcy. The battlefield is dynamic, let’s keep our eye on the prize
07-07-2020, 07:23 AM
#1173
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what do you mean come after us? on the surface it seems like a prudent sentiment to Foster, but on reflection it is far too vague to be helpful.
I personally happen to think that Scott Kirby is a worthy adversary, not your run-of-the-mill Corporate marauder. I think there have been plenty of CEOs who had their ego affronted by the power of our union, there were others who were shortsighted and just wanted to squeeze every ounce of blood from the proverbial stone.
I think Mr. Kirby has much larger designs. Literally. I would say it’s fairly obvious that he is motivated more by our footprint/marketshare then basic margins. Our interests are not exactly aligned by a long stretch, but you guys have to get your glasses fixed.
There are threats out there, but they are different than the last bankruptcy. The battlefield is dynamic, let’s keep our eye on the prize
I personally happen to think that Scott Kirby is a worthy adversary, not your run-of-the-mill Corporate marauder. I think there have been plenty of CEOs who had their ego affronted by the power of our union, there were others who were shortsighted and just wanted to squeeze every ounce of blood from the proverbial stone.
I think Mr. Kirby has much larger designs. Literally. I would say it’s fairly obvious that he is motivated more by our footprint/marketshare then basic margins. Our interests are not exactly aligned by a long stretch, but you guys have to get your glasses fixed.
There are threats out there, but they are different than the last bankruptcy. The battlefield is dynamic, let’s keep our eye on the prize
07-07-2020, 07:45 AM
#1175
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more importantly, examine that train of thought....proving that I don’t know everything, doesn’t prove that someone else knows more about what’s coming next. They might, but maybe keep some perspective and humility and acknowledge that many of the same group that didnt see what was coming to them post 9/11 is now unwilling to believe that more information or insight might help us through this.
at this point many readers are warming up the keyboard to write “no concessions.” Don’t get excited, nobody is advocating that, so simple sloganeering won’t be necessary.
None of us know what’s going to happen until it does. A little humility and open-mindedness will serve our pilot group well to prepare us for the future. I sure hope MEC is taking in new information all the time to try and better prepare a strategy to preserve our contract and the future of our pilot group
07-07-2020, 08:04 AM
#1176
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what do you mean come after us? on the surface it seems like a prudent sentiment to Foster, but on reflection it is far too vague to be helpful.
I personally happen to think that Scott Kirby is a worthy adversary, not your run-of-the-mill Corporate marauder. I think there have been plenty of CEOs who had their ego affronted by the power of our union, there were others who were shortsighted and just wanted to squeeze every ounce of blood from the proverbial stone.
I think Mr. Kirby has much larger designs. Literally. I would say it’s fairly obvious that he is motivated more by our footprint/marketshare then basic margins. Our interests are not exactly aligned by a long stretch, but you guys have to get your glasses fixed.
There are threats out there, but they are different than the last bankruptcy. The battlefield is dynamic, let’s keep our eye on the prize
I personally happen to think that Scott Kirby is a worthy adversary, not your run-of-the-mill Corporate marauder. I think there have been plenty of CEOs who had their ego affronted by the power of our union, there were others who were shortsighted and just wanted to squeeze every ounce of blood from the proverbial stone.
I think Mr. Kirby has much larger designs. Literally. I would say it’s fairly obvious that he is motivated more by our footprint/marketshare then basic margins. Our interests are not exactly aligned by a long stretch, but you guys have to get your glasses fixed.
There are threats out there, but they are different than the last bankruptcy. The battlefield is dynamic, let’s keep our eye on the prize
07-07-2020, 08:16 AM
#1177
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what do you mean come after us? on the surface it seems like a prudent sentiment to Foster, but on reflection it is far too vague to be helpful.
I personally happen to think that Scott Kirby is a worthy adversary, not your run-of-the-mill Corporate marauder. I think there have been plenty of CEOs who had their ego affronted by the power of our union, there were others who were shortsighted and just wanted to squeeze every ounce of blood from the proverbial stone.
I think Mr. Kirby has much larger designs. Literally. I would say it’s fairly obvious that he is motivated more by our footprint/marketshare then basic margins. Our interests are not exactly aligned by a long stretch, but you guys have to get your glasses fixed.
There are threats out there, but they are different than the last bankruptcy. The battlefield is dynamic, let’s keep our eye on the prize
I personally happen to think that Scott Kirby is a worthy adversary, not your run-of-the-mill Corporate marauder. I think there have been plenty of CEOs who had their ego affronted by the power of our union, there were others who were shortsighted and just wanted to squeeze every ounce of blood from the proverbial stone.
I think Mr. Kirby has much larger designs. Literally. I would say it’s fairly obvious that he is motivated more by our footprint/marketshare then basic margins. Our interests are not exactly aligned by a long stretch, but you guys have to get your glasses fixed.
There are threats out there, but they are different than the last bankruptcy. The battlefield is dynamic, let’s keep our eye on the prize
07-07-2020, 08:45 AM
#1178
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I was flying airplanes, trying to get on with a major.
more importantly, examine that train of thought....proving that I don’t know everything, doesn’t prove that someone else knows more about what’s coming next. They might, but maybe keep some perspective and humility and acknowledge that many of the same group that didnt see what was coming to them post 9/11 is now unwilling to believe that more information or insight might help us through this.
at this point many readers are warming up the keyboard to write “no concessions.” Don’t get excited, nobody is advocating that, so simple sloganeering won’t be necessary.
None of us know what’s going to happen until it does. A little humility and open-mindedness will serve our pilot group well to prepare us for the future. I sure hope MEC is taking in new information all the time to try and better prepare a strategy to preserve our contract and the future of our pilot group
more importantly, examine that train of thought....proving that I don’t know everything, doesn’t prove that someone else knows more about what’s coming next. They might, but maybe keep some perspective and humility and acknowledge that many of the same group that didnt see what was coming to them post 9/11 is now unwilling to believe that more information or insight might help us through this.
at this point many readers are warming up the keyboard to write “no concessions.” Don’t get excited, nobody is advocating that, so simple sloganeering won’t be necessary.
None of us know what’s going to happen until it does. A little humility and open-mindedness will serve our pilot group well to prepare us for the future. I sure hope MEC is taking in new information all the time to try and better prepare a strategy to preserve our contract and the future of our pilot group
I witnessed them take, and then take more. Hearts and minds they called it afterwards. When they had everything they needed, they took even more. Then they preceded to enrich themselves off our backs. I'm not willing to give them the chance again.
One doesn't need to be open minded and humble to protect what you have. A simple no thanks will suffice. I'm not sure about your mindset but I've been humiliated enough by this career.
I actually had an FO try to educate me on the angry legacy pilots and how your fresh perspective will lead the way. Although under a different tact, the hearts and minds campaign is well underway. You were warned.
07-07-2020, 09:06 AM
#1179
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Humility and perspective?
I witnessed them take, and then take more. Hearts and minds they called it afterwards. When they had everything they needed, they took even more. Then they preceded to enrich themselves off our backs. I'm not willing to give them the chance again.
One doesn't need to be open minded and humble to protect what you have. A simple no thanks will suffice. I'm not sure about your mindset but I've been humiliated enough by this career.
I actually had an FO try to educate me on the angry legacy pilots and how your fresh perspective will lead the way. Although under a different tact, the hearts and minds campaign is well underway. You were warned.
I witnessed them take, and then take more. Hearts and minds they called it afterwards. When they had everything they needed, they took even more. Then they preceded to enrich themselves off our backs. I'm not willing to give them the chance again.
One doesn't need to be open minded and humble to protect what you have. A simple no thanks will suffice. I'm not sure about your mindset but I've been humiliated enough by this career.
I actually had an FO try to educate me on the angry legacy pilots and how your fresh perspective will lead the way. Although under a different tact, the hearts and minds campaign is well underway. You were warned.
That said, what am I advocating that you disagree with?
The only thing I can say concretely at this point, given our lack of comms from the company and union, is that if the union puts a furlough mitigation strategy out that is obviously staffing positive and is not a way to save the company money, I will entertain it. To say that anything other than status quo must by definition be bad, just seems a bit strange to me
07-07-2020, 09:10 AM
#1180
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Sorry Huell,
SK is a bad person who will stop at nothing to undermine the pilot profession, one pilot group at a time. He has no interest in running a successful airline, his main goal is to grind labor to a pulp, outsource our flying and buy a home in Switzerland so he can lecture at Davos about his business acumen and labor manipulation exploits.
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SK is a bad person who will stop at nothing to undermine the pilot profession, one pilot group at a time. He has no interest in running a successful airline, his main goal is to grind labor to a pulp, outsource our flying and buy a home in Switzerland so he can lecture at Davos about his business acumen and labor manipulation exploits.
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