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Old 04-25-2020, 10:39 AM
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I wouldn’t be surprised if Kirby asked Airbus to move up delivery of the 321XLR in preparation for permanently parking the 756. I’m sure many airlines have canceled their orders.

This pandemic won’t last forever and the manufacturers need airlines as customers. I’m sure there’s some sweet deals now and even some creative financing to get everyone through.
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Old 04-25-2020, 10:52 AM
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I wouldn’t be surprised if Kirby asked Airbus to move up delivery of the 321XLR in preparation for permanently parking the 756. I’m sure many airlines have canceled their orders.

This pandemic won’t last forever and the manufacturers need airlines as customers. I’m sure there’s some sweet deals now and even some creative financing to get everyone through.
They won’t be ready until 2023-2024ish. Could convert some to LRs and maybe get them sooner if some slots become available...outside that 2024 is probably the earliest you’d see any, and this will hopefully be over by then.
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Old 04-25-2020, 12:26 PM
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Meh. The fleet is toast. The writing has been on the walls for the better part of a month now. I'm surprised that it came in one swoop. 2,000 pilots to bump and retrain. That might be the benchmark number for 10/1. The shenanigans that the company played with the zero hour lines is unacceptable, but within the letter of the LOA (I think). Just keep these actions in mind going forward. Remember, all of the gives in the new LOA are voluntary.
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Old 04-25-2020, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Terrain Inop
Meh. The fleet is toast. The writing has been on the walls for the better part of a month now. I'm surprised that it came in one swoop. 2,000 pilots to bump and retrain. That might be the benchmark number for 10/1. The shenanigans that the company played with the zero hour lines is unacceptable, but within the letter of the LOA (I think). Just keep these actions in mind going forward. Remember, all of the gives in the new LOA are voluntary.

it’s going to take ALONG time to train all the 756 pilots plus the secondary bumps they will create.

I can’t see to many 756 pilots dropping thousands a year to go fly a 737 or A320 domestically and a lot of them can hold WB CA and FO. When you start displacing from the top the trickle down is very slow.
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Old 04-25-2020, 12:43 PM
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Thanks for sharing your opinion. As you can tell nobody here really cares what you have to say. Hope you and your family stay healthy, you survive a furlough and have some time to reflect on how pathetic it is to try and bad mouth pilots on an anonymous forum during the worst event to ever hit our industry. You’re not funny, you’re not cool. You are a f’ing child!
No doubt. I think airlines (like us at AA) chopping fleets may not be a bad thing assuming this was in the works.

I would think...
The training churn this will take would take would be a death blow if furloughs occurred too. Hopefully UAL is planning on reordering fleet/pilots and using sim time for that and not cascade training events due to furloughs.
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
it’s going to take ALONG time to train all the 756 pilots plus the secondary bumps they will create.

I can’t see to many 756 pilots dropping thousands a year to go fly a 737 or A320 domestically and a lot of them can hold WB CA and FO. When you start displacing from the top the trickle down is very slow.
18-28 months of training I figure.
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Originally Posted by Terrain Inop
18-28 months of training I figure.

enough time to slow furloughs of huge numbers until things turn around. In ways parking an entire fleet makes displacements and furloughs easier but in others it makes it more difficult.
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Old 04-25-2020, 01:31 PM
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If there are only 2000 total on the fleet why not just furlough the junior F/O off of the bottom in sequence and pay the rest to stay home on reserve (inactive) until the crystal ball becomes less cloudy? That may be cheaper in the moment than displacement and retrains. They’d more or less be paying them 73 to sit home on whatever their new fleet was anyhow.
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If there are only 2000 total on the fleet why not just furlough the junior F/O off of the bottom in sequence and pay the rest to stay home on reserve (inactive) until the crystal ball becomes less cloudy? That may be cheaper in the moment than displacement and retrains. They’d more or less be paying them 73 to sit home on whatever their new fleet was anyhow.
All furloughs happen in seniority. The Company can’t just pick where they’d like to start from.
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Old 04-25-2020, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Nucflash
If there are only 2000 total on the fleet why not just furlough the junior F/O off of the bottom in sequence and pay the rest to stay home on reserve (inactive) until the crystal ball becomes less cloudy? That may be cheaper in the moment than displacement and retrains. They’d more or less be paying them 73 to sit home on whatever their new fleet was anyhow.
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