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Old 04-20-2020, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck D
haven’t read the fine print on this potential 10% furlough restriction but it sounds like it applies to 1OCT. does that mean 2OCT it’s a free for all or is there a new length of time that ties to? or perhaps that’s still TBD
I believe it limits total workforce reduction to 10% for the life of the loan which is 5 years but can be paid back early.

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Old 04-20-2020, 12:13 PM
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Well, there you have it. United will be out of business while your employer, JetBlue, is in great shape.

And I'm sure we can trust Steven Nickolas' analysis; he has an excellent CV:
  • 10+ years of experience working as a consultant to retail and institutional investors
  • Freelance writer who contributes to a wide range of communications media
  • His original writing style has garnered industry accolades with numerous awards
This isn't the first investment article I've read by some unknown writer who's paid to churn out this stuff. I've found that having a monkey throw darts at a dartboard is just as reliable.
Completely unfair Andy. I didn’t say any of that, I posted a debt to equity chart in response to Horrido’s post/implication, to quote again -

“IF the majors were to shrink by 30-50% (based on their different plans), can some of the other category airlines do the same and still survive. Hate to write this, but probably not.”

The article in response to Horrido shows relative financial health and said “draw you own conclusions”, again in response to Horrido’s post. Never pointed a finger at United whatsoever. Don’t wish I’ll will on any Airline, who knows what the industry will look like on back side of this crisis. Good luck to all.
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Old 04-20-2020, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Clear Right
Completely unfair Andy. I didn’t say any of that, I posted a debt to equity chart in response to Horrido’s post/implication, to quote again -

“IF the majors were to shrink by 30-50% (based on their different plans), can some of the other category airlines do the same and still survive. Hate to write this, but probably not.”

The article in response to Horrido shows relative financial health and said “draw you own conclusions”, again in response to Horrido’s post. Never pointed a finger at United whatsoever. Don’t wish I’ll will on any Airline, who knows what the industry will look like on back side of this crisis. Good luck to all.
Horrido's post was also in poor form at this point in time.

All airlines are skrewed.. It's going to really come down to how each airline's management manages this situation.
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I have.

And that's a useless article.
According to the metric they focus on in the article, wouldn't American be in the best shape?
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Old 04-20-2020, 12:56 PM
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According to the metric they focus on in the article, wouldn't American be in the best shape?
Technically, yes.

It pretty much shows how messed up it is.
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Old 04-20-2020, 01:32 PM
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Yes.

Nobody in their right mind is gonna sell large quantities of long-term options at close to today's price and there's literally no storage space to store oil for future delivery.
it sounds like you’re trying to argue with the market here...
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it sounds like you’re trying to argue with the market here...
Nope, just the opposite.
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Old 04-20-2020, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
Technically, yes.

It pretty much shows how messed up it is.
Damn... I just put my whole PRAP into AAL based on the article 😂😂. The poster seemed so confident and credible lol.
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I just looked at one route on June 15, Newark to San Fran. There are 14 nonstop flights that day for sale on United, at least 5 are on widebodys. Do you think we need more flights than that? What are you referring to by opening up more flying in June - it looks pretty open to me but maybe you mean something else?

That’s good I hope! Generally speaking what I meant-all reports are that the company has already slashed capacity deep into June. We gotta hope we are moving folks by then and they are coming back in heavy numbers. I think people rallying to get out of the quarantine mentality is also a good sign. Folks wanna get going. Let’s get them places!
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That’s good I hope! Generally speaking what I meant-all reports are that the company has already slashed capacity deep into June. We gotta hope we are moving folks by then and they are coming back in heavy numbers. I think people rallying to get out of the quarantine mentality is also a good sign. Folks wanna get going. Let’s get them places!
I think they are leaving a trimmed schedule and then cutting it back on a rolling basis about 4 weeks out. I guess they can measure demand while avoiding the deluge of calls/itinerary changes if they pulled it all down in one fell swoop.
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